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Originally Posted by su1978 Firstly, Honda was never interested in selling this car. Rather i would put it in this way that Honda did not have the guts to sell this car. |
Why did they bother launching it then? Needing guts to sell a product indicates the product itself was substandard by market benchmarks. So that's a direct admission.
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Originally Posted by su1978 Even the sales persons were never having any knowledge or interest to sell it. |
What knowledge specific to the Mobilio was required when the showroom space was shared with siblings like the Brio and Amaze? There would not be much extras in the Mobilio over its siblings to learn about. Well, atleast you had the interest.
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Originally Posted by su1978 Despite having no connection or incentive from Honda, i single handedly convinced the customers on buying this car and the dealer managed to clear all its stocks(almost 25 cars-Petrol/diesel combined) of Mobilio. The sales person referred my name to the prospective buyers. Next day the customers booked their cars. |
Speaks volumes about your abilities in light of the reported sales figures. Kudos.
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Originally Posted by su1978 Secondly, I have found this car to be utmost in comfort(compared to Ertiga-its core competetior) on long drives with a car full of luggage and 6 persons. The performance of air-conditioner is simply superb in the scorching heat of June in Delhi. Ertiga fares very poorly. In all parameters, i found Ertiga to be a dud. |
Its not that the Ertiga is uncomfortable by any means as you want to portray, for the first two rows atleast. Would like to know on which exact parameters you felt the Ertiga is a "dud" over the Mobilio. Your statement is vague. Or is it just the AC?
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Originally Posted by su1978 Coming to the interiors, can anyone please tell me the difference between the interiors or dashboard layout of Swift, Swift dzire and Ertiga. Have a look inside. All are same. No difference. So why this cribbing about the interiors. |
The interiors simply offend me. It hurts my eyes. Take this as a market feedback. We are not on the point of sharing parts, but the quality and aesthetics of them. The Swift siblings have acceptable interiors. The Brio siblings have despicably weird and cheap looking interiors, especially for the asking price.
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Originally Posted by su1978 Fourthly, for all those comments mentioning that the NVH levels are on the higher side and truck like noise inside the cabin, it is an open invitation to all the members to check the vehicle that is properly maintained and not the ones running as taxis. Many times, my colleagues whom i convey that there is a diesel engine under the hood, simply refuse to believe so. That too when they themselves are driving Maruti and Hyundai petrol engines. Also consider the million dollar question for we Indians-"Kitna deti hai". I get 23.3 kilometres to a litre of diesel in city driving conditions. Go bite the dust Maruti. Regular driving speed is 60-70 |
Well, modern day diesels are not really that noisy and harsh. For that matter, I find my 3 pot Mahindra diesel to have acceptable NVH too. But the fact that the i-dtec is not the most refined diesel mill in the segment is well documented and substantiated.
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Originally Posted by su1978 Fifth, Hopefully all are aware that the price of vehicle depends upon engine displacement, ground clearance and many other factors which i also am not fully aware. These factors make up for the vehicle pricing. So why this hue & cry with regards to the cost of vehicle? |
Please be aware that the marginal difference in specifications with your nearest rival does not invite any additional government levies if that is what you are pointing towards. So this argument may not be acceptable. Apart from that the apparent build quality of the Mobilio (as now reportedly also admitted by Honda themselves) does not command any premium. The "hue & cry" is very justifiable.
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Originally Posted by su1978 Sixth, consider the service cost of a Maruti diesel and Honda diesel. I got my 30000 kms servicing done for 4300/- from the dealership. This is a dream for maruti owners. 20000 kms was done for a measly 6035 Rs. all inclusive. For me this was a dream when i got my 2011 model Ritz VDI serviced. Average bill was close to 8500 Rs every time. If required, i can publish the bill also. An open challenge to all the Maruti diesel owners to get their cars services at company owned service centres. |
This aspect can never be a constant. Is Honda service cheaper than Maruti? Maybe, I'll take your word for it. But is it really that much of a differentiating factor? No! Again, take this as a market feedback. For that matter, I find Ford's service costs very acceptable too. No one can get away with over charging these days. Not for very long atleast. Also, it would be very hard to convince a prospective customer that cost of upkeep will be lesser than Maruti. Knowing Honda, might end up having to chew your own words down the line.
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Originally Posted by su1978 It just has to do with the mindset that we Indians suffer from. We will buy any scrap from Maruti but not from any other company. |
That's a very unprofessional statement coming from you. It is Honda and it's peers who needs a change in mindset. They must stop dumping substandard products in India. Now, that the customers have multiple choices, they are expressing their opinions with their wallets. That has got you all frustrated. You are venting that frustration on your prospective customers which is not a very smart thing to do. Knowing that a Sales representative at Honda feels that there is a problem with the mindset of Indian people, I do not think I'll drive down to a Honda Showroom anytime soon.
When a company has to bad mouth it's competition to prove its point, it means it has nothing much to say about its own products.