Re: Lexus ES 300h launched in India at Rs. 55 lakh Quote:
Originally Posted by The Brutailer Exactly my point. They have priced the car equal to E Class but is a product worth comparing to the C Class. |
Aye.... changing your own tune? In your own words "it can't hold a candle to C-Class". I asked you to quantify and I still havent got my answer. Quote:
Originally Posted by The Brutailer So you're supporting the rip-off club. |
Is Toyota putting a gun to the buyers head? Are there no other options in the market? This is a free market and the buyers decide the asking price. Toyota can price it at one crore and if the buyers still buy one, I would not blame Toyota. Speaking of rip offs, the german luxury cars are a rip off from, buying to servicing to eventually selling them off. Quote:
Originally Posted by The Brutailer So even after paying 65-70 lakhs, I should service my car next to an Etios? |
What is the problem with that? I am sorry but this elitist egoist rant is killing me now and I would not indulge in it any longer. Quote:
Originally Posted by The Brutailer And am I paying that much for reliability only? What about the sense of occasion? The performance? And common, reliability is overrated. I have a Merc GLA and it doesn't breakdown every 1000 kms. |
Have you ever even sat in a Lexus, never mind having owned one? Not only are their service levels the 'best' among luxury brands, their reliability and quality is too. How is reliability overrated when buyers are ready to pay handsome premium over other brands simply because of this peace of mind factor? You may say that it is unique to India, but it is the case here in Australia too. My mate has a Hilux ute which has done more than 500k kilomters and he is on the original engine and gearbox still. And this is a ute which is actually used for work, towing 2 tonnes, stuff in the back, running everyday all the time all from cities to country roads. Toyota's rule the Northern Territory, the most inhospitable terrain anywhere in the world and would not see even one european SUV there, not one. Hilux is still the best selling ute around Australia even though it is the least powerful and expensive for what it is compared to others costing almost the same. Infact couple of k's more over the asking price for Hilux you get a VW Amarok with a V6 diesel and people would still not buy it as a work ute. When it comes to hard working, hard wearing honest cars, there isnt a competition to Toyota. Quote:
Originally Posted by The Brutailer CVT transmission = Yawn. And you'll probably be yawning the whole period of your ownership. |
This is the time where I explain that CVT is the best transmission to get the best out of an engine simple because there are no steps (or gears) because it is infinitely variable. So the engine can keep spinning at an rpm where it makes its maximum power and the CVT takes care of the gearing making sure it stays put at that rpm. I want to hear from you why you think CVT are a bad transmission? Quote:
Originally Posted by The Brutailer Let's consider this scenario: Wow, I bought a Lexus. It's very reliable. Today I feel like driving my car. Oh no, but my car has a CVT which is offered in a 8 lakh baleno as well. Might as well sit behind and relax in my car which never breaks down. |
And my luxury car also has an internal combustion engine which runs on petrol which is basically the same engine as an Alto or worse a Hero Honda Splendor! Dang! Perhaps the luxury brands should also offer seperate roads to drive on so that you do not have to drive with pesky auto's, alto's and other ungodly cars that arent as expensive as yours. Quote:
Originally Posted by The Brutailer Will be good if Lexus is successful. More the competition, the better. But they should've introduced something more exciting. Something more on the lines of a LFA. Would've cemented their brand value that they are not a luxury Toyota. They have the ability to make one of the greatest cars in the world. Right now they sell the most B-O-R-I-N-G cars in the world. |
Speaking of VFM, LFA is one of the most expensive supercars and is the least powerful. Oops! By the way define boring? Quote:
Originally Posted by The Brutailer If I pay a premium price, I expect something special.
If reliability was everything, every DSG car made by Volkswagen would've been a flop. |
Toyota is the world's largest manufacturer of cars. Your point?
Last edited by Rudra Sen : 26th March 2017 at 10:32.
Reason: Let's keep this debate healthy without getting into negative comments.
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