[RavenAvi]

Originally Posted by needforspeed88

2] Despite old Dzire production being halted [ barring tour] to make way for new Dzire, Tigor has only sold 3638 units in April.

On the contrary, I would say that the Tigor did pretty well for itself in it's first full month of production, considering the tough competition in the C1 segment.

Coming in at the 3rd position, and beating out the refreshed Honda Amaze is by no means a small feat.

Maruti-Suzuki DZire = 8,797
Hyundai Xcent = 4,446
Tata Tigor = 3,638
Toyota Etios = 2,196
Honda Amaze = 2,029
Tata Zest = 1,985
Ford Aspire = 1,961
Volkswagen Ameo = 1,270

It will be interesting to see if the Tigor will be able to maintain/sustain it's numbers in the days to come, with it's package limitations and the parent company's aversion to convert a potential bestseller into a Sales Box Office hit.

[romeomidhun]

1. Clear signs from customers themselves to Chevrolet to wind up their operations. Same is the case for Mitsubishi and Fiat. How are their dealers surviving?
2. Ford can sigh and dream about those old days where they were selling 5-6K units of Figo. But EcoSport is their masterpiece. Evergreen design.
3. WRV has started well, but has shown its effect on City and Jazz numbers?
4. Hyundai need to launch new models. Seems like they are stagnated at the 45K levels.
5. Verna shows its age. It will find difficult to catch up with City and Ciaz even with its new model, IMO. The way these 2 cars established their presence is awesome.
6. Mahindra need to do something urgently to arrest its sagging sales. Immediate replacements for Xylo and Bolero are inevitable.
7. New manufacturing plant helps Maruti to clear the backlog. Reduced waiting period may further boost their sales.
8. Swift at 23K is unbelievable. Has Maruti over-produced Swift using the DZire capacity?
9. 12 out of 14 models of Maruti in the top 20. Among the rest, Gypsy proves it is still the King of off-road. Only model from Maruti that doesn't perform well is SCross. Only these 2 Marutis provide their owners some exclusivity on the road.
10. Nissan has to bring the new Micra and Kicks. Very good designs that can attract lot of customers. Creta can have a good competitor if Kicks is priced around the Duster levels.
11. Renault can stop all models except Duster and Kwid. Scala? Pulse? Scrap.
12. All new models from Tata - Hexa, Tiago, Tigor - are showing strength. Way to go, Tata.
13. Toyota seems happy with the Innova and Fortuner sales. They can bring a 5-seater Avanza in the 6-9L range to take on the premium hatchbacks, and entry level sedans / MUVs.
14. Vento lost a significant number after the Ameo launch. Came from 2K levels to 3 digits. Marketing blunder?

[anjan_c2007]

Its a Maruti versus Hyundai match in the top six. In overall sales figures though, Hyundai is well behind its rival.

The top 20 is a MSIL model showcase, where even the newest launched car gets in. The Ignis is an example. Slot # 12 (Omni) and #20 Ignis are the oldest and the youngest models of MSIL in the list.

There is no Tata car in the Top 20 this time. The Kwid has now stabilised its position in the top 20. Innova, Bolero and City are the other non- MSIL or HMIL models featured in the top 20. So 16 positions go to MSIL and HMIL combined. While four positions go to Renault, Toyota Kirloskar, M & M and Honda.

[qr20de]

Can someone please explain the jump in Swift sales? Going beyond 23,000 units and a jump of 50% MoM is just incredible.

My thoughts are either fleet or clearance sales (making way for the new model). The new Dzire clearly shows the drop in sales for the old Dzire.

[Latheesh]

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

On the contrary, I would say that the Tigor did pretty well for itself in it's first full month of production, considering the tough competition in the C1 segment.

Coming in at the 3rd position, and beating out the refreshed Honda Amaze is by no means a small feat.

Maruti-Suzuki DZire = 8,797
Hyundai Xcent = 4,446
Tata Tigor = 3,638
Toyota Etios = 2,196
Honda Amaze = 2,029
Tata Zest = 1,985
Ford Aspire = 1,961
Volkswagen Ameo = 1,270

It will be interesting to see if the Tigor will be able to maintain/sustain it's numbers in the days to come, with it's package limitations and the parent company's aversion to convert a potential bestseller into a Sales Box Office hit.

Even Tata Zest clocked 4K+ numbers during initial months after the launch. I remember seeing Tata advertising Zest numbers against Amaze numbers. Let us wait and see how sales numbers looks after the New Dzire launch. As per your source base Dzire may cost around 5.7 ex-showroom. If that is true, difference of around 1L between Tigor and Dzire. Tata need to worry if difference is less than 75K between two.

[drive2eternity]

Thanks Aditya for the numbers. Maruti's graph definitely knows how to defy gravity.

If Swift was not sold by Maruti but by brand X and similarly Alto was by brand Y and Baleno was by brand Z, the dominant Maruti would still top the sales charts with 80200 units for April.

The Manufacturers' ranking would then be as:
1: Maruti - 80200 units
2: Hyundai - 44758 units
3: Brand X - 23802 units (Swift alone)
4: Brand Y - 22549 units (Alto alone)
5: Mahindra - 17802 units
6: Brand Z - 17530 units (Baleno alone)

Isn't this demoralizing for the competitors? A single car from Maruti has the potential to destroy complete brands. Take a bow Maruti. You deserve it.

[Shreyans_Jain]

Originally Posted by Latheesh

Even Tata Zest clocked 4K+ numbers during initial months after the launch. I remember seeing Tata advertising Zest numbers against Amaze numbers. Let us wait and see how sales numbers looks after the New Dzire launch. As per your source base Dzire may cost around 5.7 ex-showroom. If that is true, difference of around 1L between Tigor and Dzire. Tata need to worry if difference is less than 75K between two.

Well, even today, sales of the Zest are pretty much the same as that of the Amaze. Seems its not doing that bad after all. As for the Tigor, pricing seems fair enough. What is needs is better engines, especially the petrol engine. Otherwise it will be difficult to sustain current volumes once the new Dzire arrives. They don't need to look far, the Zest's turbo petrol might do a good enough job.

[varunswnt]

Originally Posted by drive2eternity

Thanks Aditya for the numbers. Maruti's graph definitely knows how to defy gravity.

If Swift was not sold by Maruti but by brand X and similarly Alto was by brand Y and Baleno was by brand Z, the dominant Maruti would still top the sales charts with 80200 units for April.

The Manufacturers' ranking would then be as:
1: Maruti - 80200 units
2: Hyundai - 44758 units
3: Brand X - 23802 units (Swift alone)
4: Brand Y - 22549 units (Alto alone)
5: Mahindra - 17802 units
6: Brand Z - 17530 units (Baleno alone)

Isn't this demoralizing for the competitors? A single car from Maruti has the potential to destroy complete brands. Take a bow Maruti. You deserve it.

This actually will set a negative trend in our market where Global players will only look at us from colored lens (cheap VFM preferring market, fuel conscious market). We can clearly see this trend already with Renault's Kwid (Redi-go is a cousin), Ford's Figo twins, Honda's Brio cousins, VW's Ameo (Cheaper Vento making actual Vento expensive). Look at the pricing trend going northwards with each update and passing year. If Maruti is going to absolutely dominate each segment then others are left to explore only remaining segments (read Elite i20 and Creta), sooner Maruti will even catch them and zoom ahead (read Baleno and Brezza). Soon Dzire will start costing near 10 lakhs for top end variants, mind you its still a compact sedan and not an upgrade from hatchback and still people will flock to Maruti.

We are only left with limited option in our market and that is a sad thing. VW is thinking of not bringing international POLO in India rather tweak current POLO with new covers for us, isn't it bad thing for us. Renault not even thinking to bring their own cars rather bring Dacia cars. Honda didn't consider India worthy enough to bring HR-V coz' we won't be able to afford it. Toyota not even considering competing in other segments. Tata trying so hard and still not able to garner much attention from customers.

In which direction is market actually going, has almost everyone bowed out of the competition?

Just my opinion.

[Hickstead]

Originally Posted by varunswnt

We are only left with limited option in our market and that is a sad thing. VW is thinking of not bringing international POLO in India rather tweak current POLO with new covers for us, isn't it bad thing for us. Renault not even thinking to bring their own cars rather bring Dacia cars. Honda didn't consider India worthy enough to bring HR-V coz' we won't be able to afford it. Toyota not even considering competing in other segments. Tata trying so hard and still not able to garner much attention from customers.
Just my opinion.

+1. I strongly agree with you. Especially with your view on global players like VW, Honda, Toyota etc not even thinking about launching their better products in India. This adamant one sided domination of Maruti in India might effect the future of our car market very badly. But how this can be avoided is infact a very complicated question to be answered.

May be in near future, buyers might run out of choices and they have to settle with only a Maruti product in India.

[BB311]

It seems more like Maruti Sales figures than Indian Car sales figures. I wonder why it is so ? Herd mentality or genuinely insanely awesome products. Personally, We have never had a Maruti other than swift and don't plan to have any Maruti again. With no competition, I wonder what if other companies start losing hope/interest in India, and we fall short on choices in coming years.

[wilful]

Originally Posted by varunswnt

This actually will set a negative trend in our market where Global players will only look at us from colored lens (cheap VFM preferring market, fuel conscious market). We can clearly see this trend already with Renault's Kwid (Redi-go is a cousin), Ford's Figo twins, Honda's Brio cousins, VW's Ameo (Cheaper Vento making actual Vento expensive). Look at the pricing trend going northwards with each update and passing year. If Maruti is going to absolutely dominate each segment then others are left to explore only remaining segments (read Elite i20 and Creta), sooner Maruti will even catch them and zoom ahead

We are only left with limited option in our market and that is a sad thing. VW is thinking of not bringing international POLO in India rather tweak current POLO with new covers for us, isn't it bad thing for us. Renault not even thinking to bring their own cars rather bring Dacia cars. Honda didn't consider India worthy enough to bring HR-V coz' we won't be able to afford it. Toyota not even considering competing in other segments. Tata trying so hard and still not able to garner much attention from customers.

In which direction is market actually going, has almost everyone bowed out of the competition?

Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Hickstead

+1. I strongly agree with you. Especially with your view on global players like VW, Honda, Toyota etc not even thinking about launching their better products in India. This adamant one sided domination of Maruti in India might effect the future of our car market very badly. But how this can be avoided is infact a very complicated question to be answered.

This viewpoint seems to be a valid one.
I fear we are already stereotyped by the global players as a cheap, VFM, interested only in FE and shiny frills market.
And yes it seems to be a market preferred to be kept on the back burner by the biggies.
IMO the only people who can mount some kind of a challenge in the mid-term, if they play their cards right and have the stamina, are our home grown boys. If the Chinese enter in real earnest like they've done in electronics, they too could slowly eat into the market.
We will see more India specific VFM models from everyone in the coming days.
I hope these dark forebodings are proven wrong though.

[varadnerurkar]

Originally Posted by wilful

If the Chinese enter in real earnest like they've done in electronics, they too could slowly eat into the market.
We will see more India specific VFM models from everyone in the coming days.
I hope these dark forebodings are proven wrong though.

+1. I had read a report that Changan automotive were planning to enter India. There is a possibility that China will probably eat into the automobile market share. But it's not what we want, is it? Good, solid cars from the European companies is what we need in India and that doesn't seem to be the case right now.

[romeomidhun]

Originally Posted by varunswnt

This actually will set a negative trend in our market where Global players will only look at us from colored lens (cheap VFM preferring market, fuel conscious market).

A comment out of frustration? Are you saying that the Indian customers are setting a wrong model here? Or maruti has to stop Indian operations?

Isn't ecosport selling well here? Isn't creta selling here? Innova? Fortuner?

It's the inability of global makers to adapt to the Indian situation than customer setting wrong preferences.

Why the small cross overs are so popular globally now, when it was the turn of big suvs and sedans earlier? Fuel becomes costly, traffic becomes worse, economic crisis, people become urban-centric... Reasons are a lot. And Indians are really clever. They directly go to the economical way of transportation bypassing the 'show off' of big fuel guzzlers.

It's absurd to say that Indians have to buy the costly non-vfm fuel guzzling 'foreign' 'serviceless' cars to persuade them to sell their other 'costly' cars here.

[Carma2017]

VFM is a concept which varies from country to country and from time to time. The so called big global players like VW especially, do not wish to put their backs in and do hard work to understand Indian market. They are comfortable in bringing ready made products only. So, they suffer.
Hyundai is the role model everyone should follow. Quality cars, reasonable price, great features and segment specific policies. They have the pulse of Indian customers without stooping to as low a level as Maruti.

[jessie007]

Originally Posted by Aditya

Appreciate the effort. Graph for B1 segment (Wagon R, etc) is missing