[Sahil]

Originally Posted by reignofchaos

It works perfectly well on highways where the lane lines are marked. Within the city, depending on the state of the road, it may or may not work.

All autonomous systems work based on assumptions about the road and environment. If those don't hold true, they will fail. Nothing new in that. That's why this is a level 2 where active driver involvement is still required.

Our infrastructure is not ready for these systems that are dependent on things like white line markers as you could risk your life because a contractor didn't paint a section of lines he was supposed to.
Once the driver touches the steering or pedals, the autonomous systems stops. Hence it doesn't really allow for "active driver involvement", the minute the driver intervenes to correct it, the system turns completely off. Instead it should work along with the driver to aid him in emergency situations. For instance, if a driver breaked late and could end up in a collision then the car could save the day by braking early.

[mjumrani]

Originally Posted by Sahil

For instance, if a driver breaked late and could end up in a collision then the car could save the day by braking early.

It does that for you, first a warning is thrown via light on dash and then an audible sound asking you to brake and if no input is detected then the car brakes automatically, this works at all speeds. It is scary initially but you get used to it.

[reignofchaos]

Originally Posted by Sahil

Our infrastructure is not ready for these systems that are dependent on things like white line markers as you could risk your life because a contractor didn't paint a section of lines he was supposed to.

Level 2 systems are always assists. They reduce the work you do but you are still in control and expected to be in control at all times. The system requires you to place your hand on the wheel or else it beeps and the system deactivates. Also as I mentioned, any automated system will fail if infrastructure is not consistent.

Once the driver touches the steering or pedals, the autonomous systems stops. Hence it doesn't really allow for "active driver involvement", the minute the driver intervenes to correct it, the system turns completely off.

This is not true. You can keep your hand on the wheel. It only deactivates when you actually pull it in a direction not consistent with what the system thinks it should be doing. Think of this as an extension of adaptive cruise control where even the steering is done by the vehicle to some extent. You have the ultimate control to override it.

Instead it should work along with the driver to aid him in emergency situations. For instance, if a driver breaked late and could end up in a collision then the car could save the day by braking early.

This is already there - there is a collision warning system followed by auto braking. This is there in previous gen cars too - even my v40 has this.

In the end, these systems are ideal for highways or cities where infrastructure is standardized. In our country, the only place where it is so are national highways where it works rather well. I've personally tried it.

Even fully automated systems exist and are ready for production. However they are still stuck in a web of regulatory approvals, liability insurance and infrastructural problems everywhere.

[volkman10]

Volvo XC60 starts testing in India,





Initial lot will be imported from Sweden. Launching in December.

Confidential sources indicate the local assembly will take place at a later date.

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[ashis89]

Note: This is completely OT. MODs can move or delete this post if necessary.

Among the luxury car manufacturers, why is it that their whole lineup shares a similar design including grill, headlamps and other elements which define the front end looks. Move to the back and we might get to see similar tail lamps, mirror assemblies, door frames and even the interiors have few things in common.

Some examples which come to my mind immediately:

BMW - Same grille, same headlamp design, similar dash, gearstick, console and ICE layout, similar tail lamps in some cases.

Merc - Similar headlamps, grille, tail lamp designs in the newer models, same ORVMs, dash design is shared across models

Audi - Similar lamp and tail lamps designs, grille, same dash across models

Volvo - The headlights introduced and made famous in the XC 90 are finding their place in XC60, XC40, S90, V90. Similarly the tail lamps

Jeep - I saw Saif taking delivery of the SRT and wondered what was very different from the Compass when viewed from the front

LR - The Evoqueish elements can be found in the Discovery Sport and in the rear of the RR Sport.

Now, I am not talking about attention to detail. For a common man who views the new 5 series from a distance can mistake it to a 7 series where the latter costs more than double the former.

There are exceptions such as the Merc CLS which was different why can't each model have a distinct design? Are these designs so classic that they have to be retained to avoid identity crisis? When someone is paying premium sums of money, should he/she expect fresh distinct designs too, along with the features present in the car?

On the other hand, we beat the topic to death when a Tiago looks similar to Indica (which I don't agree) or the last 3 generations of Honda City are similar looking.

[praveen_n]

Originally Posted by Sahil

I beg to differ. I test drove the XC90 last week and tried the radar system and almost crashed once. The automonous steering system relies heavily on the white seperater line on the road, which in india are never maintained. The auto braking feature is good but i yet wouldn’t trust it fully, it’s good to have it as a secondary aid but i don’t think the system has that capability, either you give the car complete control to accelerate and brake or nothing.

Being an xc90 owner I can vouch that the system works here in Middle east although its efficiency in Indian cities cannot be guaranteed.
I use pilot assist most of the time on long journeys and it works flawlessly.

[sgiitk]

Good. I will make the Volvo aka Tank in Britain more economical. I look forward to it. Volvo has been the choice for Doctors and the like in the UK.

[volkman10]

Volvo starts assembly of S90 at its plant in Bangalore.



Currently having built ~ 300 XC90's, the pre-production of S90's were done in late 2017, following its quality procedures, were subsequently cleared for production.

Source:Confidential

[ksgehlot]

Volvo is now serious in the Indian Market. Local Assembly will reduce the price and will be at par with the Germans. Good move and was done at a right time.

Anyone knows how much price drop to be expected ?

[volkman10]

Volvo to locally assemble hybrid vehicles in India.

Tries to convince the Govt. on reducing the ridiculous policy of high taxes for Hybrids

It is a not a question of if, but when we will start assembling hybrid vehicles in India. There are various studies going on and we are trying to convince the government on why hybrids are an important bridge towards complete electrification

The company plans to have majority of its fleet in India electrified by 2020 in line with its global transition.

Source:

[Asifgrkhan]

Originally Posted by reignofchaos

You can keep your hand on the wheel. It only deactivates when you actually pull it in a direction not consistent with what the system thinks it should be doing. Think of this as an extension of adaptive cruise control where even the steering is done by the vehicle to some extent. You have the ultimate control to override it.

Just got a S90 T6 this past weekend and can confirm this.
Pilot Assist is Adaptive Cruise Control+. You have to keep you hand on the steering wheel or Pilot Assist will give a warning and then turn itself off. While working it works flawlessly in keeping the car centered and if you lane change after indicating, it will automatically take control (green steering wheel in display) once manoeuvre is complete. It really helps in relieving stress in long distance driving.

[praveen_n]

Originally Posted by Asifgrkhan

Just got a S90 T6 this past weekend and can confirm this.
Pilot Assist is Adaptive Cruise Control+. You have to keep you hand on the steering wheel or Pilot Assist will give a warning and then turn itself off.

You only need to touch the steering every 10 secs and no need to keep the hand on steering all the time.
This again depends on the speed.

[volkman10]

More on Volvo Cars India,

- Apart from the currently built XC90 and S90( locally), Volvo will assemble the XC60 and V90 cars this year.

- Volvo is also in the final stages of opening a parts warehouse in India to help it supply spares to dealers at a faster clip.

- Volvo to launch its Crossover XC40 in India by 2018 July/August

- Volvo Cars also plans to expand its sales network in India with plans to open one dealership every month this year - have 21 dealerships and we will get to 29 stores by the end of this year.

People who have owned a German car have now also started looking at us for their second car

Volvo Cars India sold around 2,000 units last year. Sales grew by 28 per cent in 2017 as compared with 2016

the company has set an aim of garnering a market share of 10 per cent in the luxury segment by 2020. It currently has over 5 per cent share in the segment

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[volkman10]

Volvo to bring more Electrics & Petrol-Hybrids to India .

new models from 2019 would only be fully-electric or part electric (plug-in hybrid) cars

- Next generation S60 sedan will come to India, and will be petrol-only

- Coming soon, plug-in versions of the sedan sibling of that car - the S90 T8, and also the hybrid variant of the recently launched XC60

-Investments will be made on bringing the compact platform cars like the XC40 and then S40, V40 - once there is clarity on levels of acceptance of electrified cars by Indian buyers

The XC40 will join that family of SUVs - a family that is now complete according to the company. With it the brand hopes to grow at higher levels than the 28 per cent growth it achieved in 2017, when it sold over 2000 cars for the first time

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[volkman10]

Volvo XC60 India assembly to begin in September 2018, prices likely not to drop though.

despite the fact that the XC60 was a CBU, it was priced rather competitively with regards to the competition and with the SUV soon set to become a CKD, the company will be in a position to recover costs.

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