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Originally Posted by Boom Shiva Your points may be valid but they could be phrased in a less provoking manner. |
They ARE valid. And probably, yes, they could have been worded in a less provoking manner. But I didn't see you jumping in when there were other equally unfair comments being made from the other side. You merely kept quiet or joined in with smart-alec comments like the ones below:
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Originally Posted by Boom Shiva Well I think the line is pretty clearly drawn up. There are those who are satisfied with their TATAs and there are those who won't touch one with a barge pole. |
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Originally Posted by Boom Shiva It would be nice though if they could test their cars BEFORE selling them to us. |
Now those were quite unprovoking and rational, I would say.
Why is it you feel that you can dish it out because you are dissatisfied, but other people cannot retort in the same way because they are satisfied ???
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Originally Posted by Boom Shiva We bought a car in good faith. |
Sure, your purchase decision was made in good faith. But other TATA owners purchase decision, was made because they not quality conscious, they are ignorant about quality levels, and they are only concerned about cheap up-front costs and mileage, or because most TATA customers are cabbies, or the fact that their buying rationale was misplaced patriotism. I am not saying you said all of that. All of those insinuations have been made by people on this thread in different ways. I did not see you jumping in stop these people from making irrational statements.
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Originally Posted by Boom Shiva It delivered a bad experience. Refinement was the least of our issues. Basic reliability was the problem. Hence we are dissatisfied.
You've had a good experience with your car, hence you are satisfied.
Fair enough.
But why you have to write posts to the effect of:
"And when it did not match the refinement of the slightly higher priced options, you complain and pass derogatory comments on the manufacturer, conveniently forgetting how little you paid in the first place.
Is it because the free lunch you were looking for did not materialise ?"
Please do go on an write pages and pages of posts, you seem to have the talent and time on your hands to do so.
But please refrain from making blanket insinuations that question someone else's motivation for having an opinion. |
Same as the above. The same blanket insinuations have been made all through this thread. People have been exactly doing what you are saying I did. That is, questioning or rather arriving at other's motivation to buy a TATA product.
While, I only raised it as a possibility, with the clear statement that I could well be wrong and that I was throwing it up for discussion. But I still don't see anyone answering that question I raised, save for the fact that you have managed to express your displeasure with that line of questioning itself.
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Originally Posted by Boom Shiva "I am just very unclear on the buying criteria and decision making rationale of the dissatisfied Indica/Indigo Petrol owners"
At no point here have you indicated that you are speaking about only some and not all Indigo owners. |
I am sorry, but that is about as general a statement as one can make. I am speaking about dissatisfied Indica / Indigo Petrol owners. No qualifications.
Dissatisfied Indica / Indigo Petrol owners.
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Originally Posted by Boom Shiva Whether you meant to or not, your post is directed at people like me and my family, who bought a car in good faith and do not deserve to have someone like you pass a comment on our motivation or judgement. |
I did not mean to and it is not directed at people like you and your family. I asked a simple question about the buying rationale of TATA petrol customers. I also mentioned point blank that it was loaded and awkward, but a valid point nonetheless. Additionally, all of those were questions I threw up for discussion, not conclusions I reached and stated arbitrarily.
See the pattern here ?? Because one very blunt question rankled you, only because, you fall into the bracket of similar customers, you ended up taking umbrage. But the vice-versa is not applicable to satisfied TATA owners, is it ???
Like you yourself mentioned the following,
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Originally Posted by Boom Shiva Well I think the line is pretty clearly drawn up |
Now you cannot take recourse by saying “Hey, I did not make the comments you refer to.” You were a silent supporter to those comments at the very least, and it did not seem to ruffle your feathers one little bit. You seemed to be perfectly okay then. Your discomfort seems to have sprung just now as a result of one question I asked.
In this kind of discussion, if there are so many people with different views, there are bound to be questions asked, which might not always be pleasant. If that does not seem fair to you, then maybe you should have also displayed that sense of fairness when the shoe was on the other foot.
I mean seriously, if you want to go out and play in the rain, you got to be prepared to get a little wet.
Much as you'd like to believe, my post was not directed at you or any one person in particular. Its just so happened, that your post on the Indigo petrol just preceded my post. If I really wanted to target you, I could have picked up on your very initial post about your dissatisfaction with your Indigo and quoted you on that when I made my post.
But my post and point stands. At least, until someone can explain in rational terms, the factors that led them to choose a TATA petrol, I stand by my comments.
And for what its worth, saying
"I bought the car in good faith",
is just as lame as saying I bought it for patriotic reasons, if you really want to look at it objectively.
Rational reasons include some of the following:
Refinement
Quality
Spaciousness
Price
Mileage
After Sales Support
Manufacturer profile
Performance
Driving Pleasure.....
and quite a few others I am sure.
“Faith” does not cut it, just as patriotism does not cut it.
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Originally Posted by Boom Shiva In the interest of having a rational debate, please utilise your vast control over the language to rephrase your line of thought in a manner that remains objective and does not play to the gallery. |
I really don't think I need to do any of that. I don't think “I am playing to the gallery”. However, you are entitled to your opinion and I take no offence.
Its just that when I do have something to say, I say it like it is, especially, when everyone seems to be so liberal with their opinions and conclusions.
If it rankles someone on the other side of the fence, it is just too bad, because that is not my objective as I have clearly stated.
Once more, my post was not targeted at you. It was a general one directed at dissatisfied TATA petrol owners. It is genuinely unfortunate if you happen to be one of them. And that is not meant in a sarcastic way.
But that does not negate the validity of what I said.
I believe I have made my points and justifications to those points.
I am out of this thread.