[JS Kwt]

Originally Posted by JS Kwt

Old vs New Prices
PETROL
Zxi ------ 955853 - 1015019
Zxi+ --- 1020784 - 1071413

DIESEL
Zdi - 1181011 - 1180217
Zdi+ 1235406 - 1237121

Contemplating to go for Petrol OR Diesel?

Previous Gen Ertiga had a difference of almost 2.25 lakhs between Petrol and Diesel , plus 25k for a Wolf Remap taking the Difference to 2.5 Lakhs

Which made some sense to go for the Petrol version, and buy another Pre-owned Diesel Hatchback for 2-3 lakhs for the daily chores and mile munching. (In the Budget of buying a Diesel Top Variant)

Now the Difference has reduced to 1.65 lakhs, which makes it Hard to decide - whether to go for the Petrol plus Diesel Hatchback setup - giving flexibility of using 2 vehicles along with hassles of maintaining both?

Or to go for the Diesel ??

These are the points under consideration

PETROL

• Rising Petrol prices @ 13-14 Kmpl (Max Avg expectations City+Highway with 100% AC)
• Higher Petrol Bills will be a PAIN at every Refill - spoiling the Fun and inclination of Long Drives
• Lower maintenance costs
• Silent Engine
• Doubtful Resale after 7-10 years
• Flexibility of keeping a Pre-owned diesel alongwith Petrol
• Hassles of maintaining 2 cars

Vs DIESEL

• Rising Diesel Prices @ 18-19 Avg Kmpl
• Higher initial cost - which feels easy to shell out ONCE than shelling those Higher Petrol Bills EVERY TIME.
• Higher maintenance costs
• Diesel Clatter - (Not a Deal breaker)
• Turbo Lag - (will have to Opt for Remap 25k)
• More Torque @ Turbo kick Pleasure
• No 1.5L diesel engine Yet
• Inferior MID - No Color (No Separate Fuel / Temp Gauges)
• Better Resale
• DOUBTS over the Future of Diesel ? Expect to keep the Car for 7-10 years.

Seeking Team BHP Help
Would appreciate suggestions and other valuable inputs which i can consider to help me DECIDE.

Especially regarding the sanity of pursuing with Diesel , would it be a Safe Bet for another 10 years ??

[PYSO]

Originally Posted by JS Kwt

Contemplating to go for Petrol OR Diesel ?
[*]No 1.5L diesel engine Yet

If you can wait for some time, then wait for the 1.5 diesel.

If not, then go for the Petrol. Because it will take 90k - 100k kms of running for the diesel to breakeven with the Petrol.

[JS Kwt]

New Maruti Ertiga for India is more premium than Ertiga in Indonesia – Photo comparison



Speaking about features, India-spec Ertiga is more feature rich than the Ertiga sold in Indonesia. Facebook page Kendara has created a set of new images which compare features of India-spec Ertiga with that of Indonesia-spec Ertiga. Differences include – 7 inch touchscreen of Indian Ertiga vs the 6.8 inch screen of Indonesian Ertiga.



Other features which are better in Indian spec Ertiga are more comfortable seats, arm rest for second row passengers, height adjustable seat belts for front passengers, futuristic instrument control with colour MID, advanced AC controls, etc.





https://www.rushlane.com/amp/new-mar...-12288497.html

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by JS Kwt

[b]
New Maruti Ertiga for India is more premium than Ertiga in Indonesia

Maruti Suzuki reads the Indian market well - Reduce build quality, compromise on safety, but increase feel good features and market on fuel efficiency!

That said - Ertiga has all the makings of another blockbuster from Maruti. Marazzo better watch out!

[volkman10]

Drive Review - New Ertiga,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkYmKJ7nfV8

Car and Bike Verdict:

So there you have it. A capable family car now gets even more capable with the launch of the new Ertiga. It is priced well, comes packed to the gills with features and is more spacious too. It also handles and performs better and honestly, apart from the fact that it could have had a better set of wheels, LED daytime running lights with LED headlamps and that the automatic desperately needs a fully loaded Z+ model, Maruti Suzuki yet again have made a great package.

With bookings open at Maruti Suzuki Arena dealerships across the country and waiting periods already starting to creep up, if you have been waiting for our review to decide whether or not you should buy one, our answer is a definitive and thumping yes! And if you are worried about your next Uber or Ola being the exact same car as your brand new ertiga, Maruti Suzuki has clearly mentioned that this new gen model will be only for the private market... for now at least.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Drive Review - New Ertiga

Yes. The embargo seems to have got over. Everyone else has come out with their reports too -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEtOkjNANNs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJTLVDqgfFw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEs65AcMnxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7P4zVFANZ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVW91TTolZ8

[basubhatta]

2018 Maruti Ertiga passed Bharat NCAP test: https://www.rushlane.com/amp/2018-ma...-12288536.html

[JS Kwt]

Yes
There's a Flood of Reviews
Lot of interest in the Market

Maruti Suzuki Next-Gen Ertiga 2018 | Times Drive Test | Full Review, Price & Specifications



https://www.timesnownews.com/videos/...ications/16027

https://youtu.be/Ueq9METYnUk

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by basubhatta

2018 Maruti Ertiga passed Bharat NCAP test: https://www.rushlane.com/amp/2018-ma...-12288536.html

Doesn't mean anything! Swift had passed too!

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.m...f-15-pass/amp/

Obviously - 'passing' the test is of no use, and they should really start publishing the test results and ratings.

[nikipedia87]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Doesn't mean anything! Swift had passed too!

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.m...f-15-pass/amp/

Obviously - 'passing' the test is of no use, and they should really start publishing the test results and ratings.

I saw 4-5 reviews of the Ertiga, and ironically, only the MotorBeam guy made a passing mention about the car not yet being tested by GNCAP and about him not being sure about its structural safety .

[shibujp]

Another extremely well judged product from Maruti. I've been looking over the print and video reviews of the new Ertiga and the overall feeling is of an very good value for money product that expands on it's strengths in a way that all the so called global brands seem to have a very hard time doing. This can be perhaps because they are spending more time writing software that cheats and their CEOs are too busy embezzling money!

The plastics in the videos give an impression of a manufacturer that have improved the feel and build of it's interior. More space and a third row that is actually usable. Even with three seats up the storage is actually better. I especially like the tray like storage in the boot that utilises the space for the spare tire.

Handling and ride seems to be pretty composed. As with all Maruti cars there is a certain minimum standard you get in this department and very few of their products are too softly sprung.

Engines, well, they do the job. Will they attract a buyer like me? No, simply cos I am not in the market for a MUV. Is there really a market for a sharp handling, high performance MUV in India. Frankly the answer is no. Most of the buyers in this segment will be either cabbies or people with the need to transport larger families. The diesel works fine for the cabbies who will not really care about the noise and bother more about the running costs and the initial outlay. For people with larger families the petrol gives quite a refined ride and decent performance for a relaxed ride. You don't really want to be a corner carving maniac with your in-laws in the rear. Also I have a feeling that the Marazzo may end up pulling a few private owners it's way.

And the price, yes more than the outgoing version but given the improvements in design and capability, I am sure potential buyers would not mind much, especially since the nearest competition is more from the Innova rather than the Marrazzo.

And safety. I am pretty confident the Ertiga is safe enough if driven within it's limits. As is, Maruti as a business is only bound to meet the prescribed safety standards. However their contribution to driver training and awareness is unmatched. Which is actually the real safety issue in India. The only reason why European manufacturers have heavier cars has less to do with their excessive love for Indian lives but more to do with the fact that it is financially inefficient to re-engineer their cars with lower safety benchmarks especially in a market where their market share is in single digits. To me it is funny that the Global NCAP should focus only on those aspects that favor the European car makers rather than take a look at the Indian market and understand what the actually safety issue is. If the Global NCAP is serious they should understand that nothing short of a proverbial tank will be safe on Indian roads. The real issue is driver awareness towards which Maruti has done way more than any of it's competitors decades before the Global NCAP organisation could be bothered about testing Indian offering. Through Maruti driving schools, the young driver competitions etc. So I think all the Maruti bashing going on is simply a matter of sour grapes intended to pull down a manufacturer whose contribution to putting a steering wheel in the hands of Indian drivers is unparalleled. I am yet to see any such program from the hallowed European brands. And if a poorly serviced car is to be considered a safety risk, then quite a few of them including the luxury brands would be jostling for the top step.

Drive on,
Shibu.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by shibujp

And safety. I am pretty confident the Ertiga is safe enough if driven within it's limits. As is, Maruti as a business is only bound to meet the prescribed safety standards.

To me it is funny that the Global NCAP should focus only on those aspects that favor the European car makers rather than take a look at the Indian market and understand what the actually safety issue is.

With all due respect, and acknowledging that you have the right to stating your views - I would request to consider the below the facts first.

1. Global NCAP tests are done at 64kmph.

2. City speeds limits in India is being increased to 70kmph

3. Highway speed limits in India is being increased to 120kmph.

Tests are relevant and damage is within the 'limits'.

4. When a crash occurs, what's going to help the owner is the structural safety of the vehicle. Driver training is not going to come in handy, nor all accidents are caused by drivers errors.

5. Maruti being leader in driver education does not justify them making products with compromised safety structures.

There's no Maruti bashing going on - people are only pointing out their concerns based on tested facts. You don't see any such comments on the Vitara / SCross platform, do you?

[keshav1426]

Originally Posted by shibujp

Another extremely well judged product from Maruti..

You have nailed it . Very well written . People need to focus on all the aspects of this vehicle rather than just the point of build quality

[guptad42]

This is a well priced product with little competition. So, should sell well. The bottom 9 to 12 inches of interiors in a very dark brown or black would have been better.

But, why does Suzuki keep dumping 15 year old designs of 4 speed torque converter ATs on India?


If Suzuki are trying to be cheap, can't they spend some engineering effort to develop a 6speed AT version and make it available across their petrol range, and develop a variant for higher torque diesels too. The high torque version can also be used with sporty models of petrol that may use a turbo injected version of the 1.5L K15. Suzuki has a huge opportunity in India to sweep the market with smooth, affordable automatics and the ability to develop these solutions at a low cost within India and then spread that cost over Suzuki's huge India volumes.

The 1.3L diesel engine is really not suited to this sort of MPV duty. Suzuki needs a relaxed 1.5L diesel with good bottom end torque for ease of drivability. It can be detuned for efficiency and does not need a high peak power figure. Needs to be smooth and relatively silent unlike the noisy Honda diesel.

[keshav1426]

Originally Posted by shibujp

Another extremely well judged product from Maruti. I've been looking over the print and video reviews of the new Ertiga and the overall feeling is of an very good value for money product that expands on it's strengths in a way that all the so called global brands seem to have a very hard time doing. This can be perhaps because they are spending more time writing software that cheats and their CEOs are too busy embezzling money!

The plastics in the videos give an impression of a manufacturer that have improved the feel and build of it's interior. More space and a third row that is actually usable. Even with three seats up the storage is actually better. I especially like .

Originally Posted by guptad42

This is a well priced product with little competition. So, should sell well. The bottom 9 to 12 inches of interiors in a very dark brown or black would have been better.

But, why does Suzuki keep dumping 15 year old designs of 4 speed torque converter ATs on India?


If Suzuki are trying to be cheap, can't they spend some engineering effort to develop a 6speed AT version and make it available across their petrol range, and develop a variant for higher torque diesels too. The high torque version can also be used with sporty models of petrol that may use a turbo injected version of the 1.5L K15. Suzuki has a huge opportunity in India to sweep the market with smooth, affordable automatics and the ability to develop these solutions at a low cost within India and then spread that cost over Suzuki's huge India volumes.
.

This is basic demand and supply. Automatics were never popular among the entry level and mid segment vehicles. Reasons being low mileage and higher prices . Only with the launch of the AMT , Maruti and others were able to keep the costs in check and attain similar efficiency figures. Even after doing all this, the sale percentage between Manual and AMT is 70/30 respectively. So unless there is a crazy demand or unavailability of Manual transmission, this is the way things are going to be for sometime. To add to this ,most people opting for an AMT / AT have no clue whether its a 4 speed or not. It just needs to get the person from Point A to Point B with minimum hassle . This has been accomplished by Maruti