[vinodvayyat]

Originally Posted by 46TheDoctor

Right pricing would have really made the trailhawk a success because like i said before it is a great product which has 'do it all' abilities.

Yes, the do-it-all product which is not needed-for-all/needed-for-everyone.

[civic-sense]

Originally Posted by GTO

There's no way BS6 is costing anyone 1 lakh rupees. Manufacturers are so cost efficient that they build entire engines for less money than that. No way does compliance cost them so much.

Read in the VW book that it would cost VW just $300 or so to make the 2.0 TDI meet California's strict emission norms.

DPF costs quite a bit, I've heard. The Compass' 2.0 diesel already have a DPF though.

If one doesn't localise strategies & tweak things for India, they will always be at a disadvantage. Give the market what it wants!

At the speed of which these things happen here, I would not hope to see a new AT box mated with the 2.0 anytime soon. Remember how long it took before VW mated the DSG with the 1.6/1.5 diesel?

[PPS]

Originally Posted by civic-sense

I would not hope to see a new AT box mated with the 2.0 anytime soon.

According to Hormazd Sorabjee of Autocar, that will only happen 'within a year' !

[vsrivatsa]

Carwale.com shows the On Road Price in Bangalore as:

• Trailhawk 4x4 : 33.86
• Trailhawk (O) 4x4 : 34.86

I guess a few die hard Jeep fans may buy it but it will mostly remain a Museum piece. As everyone has already called out, the need of the hour was a diesel automatic on the lower variants (4x2 models) - hope they hurry up on releasing those as well.

The 4x4 Models were hardly selling and Jeep had to clear stock throwing in discounts which ran to 6 figures. And now they release this Gold plated 4x4

[McLaren Roxx]

Originally Posted by dean5545

Why should one not put in additional 4 lakhs and go for a full size SUV like the Endeavour or Fortuner.

I get 2 more seats much bigger car and as far as off-roading capability goes both are superior to the Trail hawk!

Not sure about off-road superiority. The Trailhawk's a pretty accomplished machine itself, with the benefit of being much lighter & having better approach/departure angles.
But in the Indian market, both Endy & Fortuner sure have the 'snob' value going for them.

99% Indians would never be able to differentiate a regular Compass from the Trailhawk. So spending so much more over the already overpriced Compass AWD is foolishness IMO.

Now, wouldn't it be awesome if Suzuki suddenly launches the Jimny in India @ half the price!

[Steeroid]

Originally Posted by civic-sense

DPF costs quite a bit, I've heard. The Compass' 2.0 diesel already have a DPF though.

If you’re referring to a Diesel Particulate Filter, even my 10 lakh 2004 Safari had one. It isn’t rocket science, unless it’s made of gold alloy or something now.

[arun_josie]

Bangalore pricing. Sunroof model hits 35L

And this is almost 9-10L (after discount) more than a 4x4 Limited (O) 2018 make Compass.

[vsrivatsa]

Originally Posted by arun_josie

Bangalore pricing. Sunroof model hits 35L

And this is almost 9-10L (after discount) more than a 4x4 Limited (O) 2018 make Compass.

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In most cases the Insurance can be negotiated for much less - so that should help keep it below 35L

The ideal approach for prospective buyers would be to drop your visiting card and ask the Sales guy to call when the discounts start which should be fairly soon

[Sheel]

Originally Posted by McLaren Roxx

Not sure about off-road superiority. The Trailhawk's a pretty accomplished machine itself, with the benefit of being much lighter & having better approach/departure angles.

Compass has the benefit of being lighter and nimble with a short wheelbase in comparison to the Fortuner/Endeavor, but it doesn't boast of better approach/ramp-over/departure angles.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by Sheel

Compass has the benefit of being lighter and nimble with a short wheelbase in comparison to the Fortuner/Endeavor

True... having driven both Fortuner and Trailhawk offroad, I'd prefer the smaller Trailhawk in the trail.

[civic-sense]

Originally Posted by Steeroid

If you’re referring to a Diesel Particulate Filter, even my 10 lakh 2004 Safari had one. It isn’t rocket science, unless it’s made of gold alloy or something now.

Are you sure we both are talking about the same thing?

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techn...te-filter.html (Diesel Particulate Filter)

Tata using a DPF in 2004 sounds like somebody using a digital camera in the 80s.

Originally Posted by Sheel

Compass has the benefit of being lighter and nimble with a short wheelbase in comparison to the Fortuner/Endeavor, but it doesn't boast of better approach/ramp-over/departure angles.

Compass fails the more metal per rupee test. We like big cars, big phones, big houses, big everything.

[Sheel]

Originally Posted by civic-sense

Compass fails the more metal per rupee test. We like big cars, big phones, big houses, big everything.

Compass fails the rear seat space test and the Trailhawk may fail the off-road test because of lower approach angles etc. It will shine at few places because of small footprint which I appreciate, but a bit more back seat space [say, like the Tucson] and a bit more degrees of angles would have surely helped the Trailhawk in off-road scenario.

[Guna]

Originally Posted by Sheel

and a bit more degrees of angles would have surely helped the Trailhawk in off-road scenario.

Are you saying that despite the revised bumper in the Trailhawk, the approach angle is bad?

[DPetrolHead]

Originally Posted by GTO

Buy a Creta Diesel AT AND a Thar.

Buy an Octavia 1.8 TSI AND a Thar. A true enthusiast's garage.

@GTO sir you read my mind with these two combinations!
I had the exact same thought when I saw the OTR pricing of Trailhawk.

Suddenly the Tiguan feels VFM and Tucson a steal.

After almost 2 years of waiting if Jeep gives this to the customers, I might see Jeep taking a leave with Fiat too.

Let's hope the Renegade doesn't disappoint

Cheers!

[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by Sheel

Compass has the benefit of being lighter and nimble with a short wheelbase in comparison to the Fortuner/Endeavor, but it doesn't boast of better approach/ramp-over/departure angles.

Originally Posted by Samurai

True... having driven both Fortuner and Trailhawk offroad, I'd prefer the smaller Trailhawk in the trail.

Originally Posted by Sheel

Compass fails the rear seat space test and the Trailhawk may fail the off-road test because of lower approach angles etc

Originally Posted by Guna

Are you saying that despite the revised bumper in the Trailhawk, the approach angle is bad?

Guys, let's be realistic here - who will take a 35 lac car to "trails"?! I'd much rather do that in a Gypsy or a Thar. Let's look at potential customer segments (within JEEP variants) here:

• Typical mid-size SUV buyers who do not need 4x4 - will be good with lower variants, more so once auto-diesel is available in these, which is just a matter of time. No one will pay ~8 lac more just for diesel-auto combo.
• Mid-size SUV buyers who do need 4x4 - well, there are lower variants offering that at a much lower price, of course without the auto transmission but I don't think that would be a deal breaker in most cases, especially since the lazy auto takes most of the fun away from the excellent driving dynamics of the Compass
• Tourers/overlanders - unless I am a solo traveler in this category, the real estate provided by the Trailhawk just does not cut it!

So, who buys the Trailhawk then? Folks who would still go with brand JEEP despite multiple examples of suspension failures (a very small section of SUV buyers) >> folks who are very particular about 4x4 capabilities (the section reduces drastically) >> folks who would want diesel-auto with relatively "better" 4x4 capabilities (er... anyone around?) > folks who have the heart to put down 35 lac for this car!! We seem to be talking about double-digits per month at best!

If I were serious about going to off-beat places, which might warrant low range (which is a fluke in the Trailhawk BTW), with corresponding amount of luggage space, AND if I had pockets deep enough to spend 35 lac, I would much much rather spend another 4-5 lac and pick up a "real" off-roader - read Fortuner, Endeavour, MUX, etc!

Just my opinion - in no way do I intend to undermine the capabilities of the Trailhawk but given the positioning by Jeep, it just does not fit in