[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by Behemoth

If the Honda is able to deliver 120 bhp of actual power at the wheels ,

The same 1.6 120hp diesel is present in the HRV, and the dyno readings indicate around 107hp at the wheels, and 118hp at crank.

Source - Shiftec tuning.

[Sheel]

Originally Posted by Axe77

Expect a 38-40 lakh odd tag for the diesel top end and you can accordingly work your guesses downward for lower variants.

And then people say, that why does a Fortuner sell?

To be honest, if Isuzu brings out the facelift [for MU-X], understands the customers who would queue up to buy their V-Cross and MU-X, this would be the most VFM SUV to buy with Japanese reliability, sure you won't get the suave thing, that is only possible with the Ford Endeavor, but then, the Ford Endeavor isn't a true 5 seater [am not factoring in the last row]. The middle seat doesn't have much space for the fifth occupant, there is intrusion from the floor hump, plus the seat itself isn't supportive for the fifth. Noise cancellation etc really work but space management isn't great.

EcoSport has good water wading capacity. Hondas were never good at water wading, especially the diesel variant [http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...olocking.html]

Get a V-Cross as a second car, fit a snorkel, go to OTR's, have fun and wade the Bombay roads when monsoons hit.

[Behemoth]

Originally Posted by Axe77

Chief the current petrol crv top end retails at 31-32 lakh on road. Why will an all new, bigger, plusher 7 seat diesel come at 30 lakh on road. Expect a 38-40 lakh odd tag for the diesel top end and you can accordingly work your guesses downward for lower variants.

Tiguan is a 5 seater with the top end coming at about 36-37 lakh on road. Honda will perceive itself closer to Kodiaq as a comparison not Tiguan. Despite being 120 bhp.

I was referring to Gurgaon prices where the taxes are much lower than cities like Mumbai or Bangalore.

[octane_100]

I think Honda once again with their pricing will help Hyundai. This may be Jazz-i20 all over again! The current Tucson doesn't feel special but the face lift one certainly feels much better.

[Behemoth]

The onroad prices for the current gen petrol CRV 2wd AT is 27.79 lacs and for the 2.4 4WD AT are 30.38 lacs (on road in Gurgaon!)
If Honda is sensible the prices for the diesel variant should not be more than a lac more on each model. But that may be wishful thinking from my side!
Somehow Honda has been playing it so far as a niche vehicle and if they really want decent volumes of 600-800 cars per month instead of their current 100-150 cars they should peg the car no higher than 27-28 lacs exshowroom for the diesel variant, which will give it the right positioning between the Compass, Tucson and the endeavour and the Fortuner. At this price point the Kodiaq and Tiguan would be virtually wiped out as they are both overpriced by 5 lacs. For us customers, competition is always good and we get more choices and better value for money!
The Compass initial pricing was also a good value proposition , as well as the WRV and let's hope the CRV also becomes one!

[PrideRed]

Originally Posted by Behemoth

If the Honda is able to deliver 120 bhp of actual power at the wheels , it should be good enough for the CRV. The Compass while it claims 170 bhp, actually delivers only around 130bhp at the wheels (as per the dyno results shared by Arjun). The 0-100 time of the Compass is also around 11 seconds. So with a 0-100 time of 11.2 seconds the CRV is almost as fast. End of the day the torque curve needs to be seen and also the 9 speed auto box will be a boon and plus the mileage is bound to be decent and above 12-15 kmpl.
With the Kodiaq costing 40L on road and the Tiguan also costing 32L on road, if Honda price it at 30L on road for the diesel auto 2WD it will be a fair deal and it may convince many buyers.

With CRV, BHP is not the only concern, it comes with puny 1.6L engine as well. The Kodaiq and Compass come with bigger 2.0L engine. Now had it been 160HP, it would have been kinda okay but 120HP is not going anywhere. No matter what gearbox you plonk, this car will struggle big time when loaded. May be okay for city driving, but then not many would want to buy a 40 lac SUV and limit it to city driving!

[Axe77]

The Endy and Fortuner (4x4 AT top spec) are somewhere around 40-41 lakh on road. So is a top end Kodiaq (widely considered overpriced).

I feel that a 120 bhp diesel CR-V in top end spec should retail at least around 3-4 lakh cheaper to be considered sensibly priced.

[Behemoth]

Here is a detailed review of the diesel CRV from carguide Philippines. The mileage in city is 11.33 and upto 23 on highways with an average of 15+ as per this review. So it is definitely tuned more towards fuel efficiency and economy.
https://www.carguide.ph/2017/11/revi...awd-7.html?m=1

[vsrivatsa]

AutoCar India Review of the CR-V:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCOP5wFg5Vk

Hormazd also calls out that the engine is under-powered for highway driving. Honda seems to have fixed the NVH Levels of the i-DTEC

Possibly this engine is good for the next gen City, not the CR-V...

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by vsrivatsa

Honda seems to have fixed the NVH Levels of the i-DTEC

The 1.6 iDTec never got much complaints for NVH internationally. Its only the Indian 1.5 that struggled.

Also contributing to the NVH in the CRV is that 9 speed gearbox. 155kph at 2000rpm in the 9th gear - that's TALL gearing and no wonder he says the car is extremely refined when cruising.

[Behemoth]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

The 1.6 iDTec never got much complaints for NVH internationally. Its only the Indian 1.5 that struggled.

Also contributing to the NVH in the CRV is that 9 speed gearbox. 155kph at 2000rpm in the 9th gear - that's TALL gearing and no wonder he says the car is extremely refined when cruising.

Yes , suprisingly the 1.6 engine is also made in India and exported to other countries! I wonder why they didn't use the much better 1.6 engine in the City and the BRV? Possibly because the cost could be higher and that's why they are offering it only in the CRV.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by Behemoth

I wonder why they didn't use the much better 1.6 engine in the City and the BRV? Possibly because the cost could be higher and that's why they are offering it only in the CRV.

Tax slabs, mostly.

India has three slabs in effect - Less than 4m and diesel engine less than 1.5, more than 4m but diesel engine less than 1.5 and cars with engines more than 1.5 litres.

1.5 diesel gets 3% less tax burden as compared to the 1.6.

[pixantz]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

The 1.6 iDTec never got much complaints for NVH internationally. Its only the Indian 1.5 that struggled.

I think the City sold in other markets has the 1.6 engine like in the CR-V and that motor has a turbocharger. Now turbochargers improve NVH considerably. So maybe that's the reason the international City's don't have the NVH issue.

Talk about crappy tax slab cut off points and such. I wonder why is it that there is not even a single auto enthusiast in the government at least in things which relate to motoring. Life would be so much saner, man!

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Tax slabs, mostly.

India has three slabs in effect - Less than 4m and diesel engine less than 1.5, more than 4m but diesel engine less than 1.5 and cars with engines more than 1.5 litres.

1.5 diesel gets 3% less tax burden as compared to the 1.6.

You said it. It's all about the stupid tax slabs at even more stupid cut-off points. Some smart-a** official decided to have a cut-off at 1.5 liter cubic capacity for super intelligent reasons known only to him. Like the world would perish if it was 1.6 or 1.8! Sad.

[speedmiester]

Originally Posted by pixantz

You said it. It's all about the stupid tax slabs at even more stupid cut-off points. Some smart-a** official decided to have a cut-off at 1.5 liter cubic capacity for super intelligent reasons known only to him. Like the world would perish if it was 1.6 or 1.8! Sad.

City doesn't qualify for lower tax rates anyways as it is longer than 4M.
Lower tax rates are applicable only if the length is <4M and engines of <1.2L for petrol and <1.5L for diesels.

It is only insurance that gets affected by the cubic capacity of >1.5L.

[volkman10]

Honda CR-V first look video,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6sZgiTH5XY