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Old 15th August 2018, 19:44   #271
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The upcoming Maruti Suzuki Ciaz facelift will have a speed alert system and seat belt reminder for both driver and front passenger. These safety features will be available across all variants of the new Ciaz.
Well, I guess these features are also going to be added to the S-Cross pretty soon as far as I know. Still foxed with news regarding TCS whether it'll come to all variants of Ciaz. If it does, then it should come in S-Cross also.
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Old 15th August 2018, 21:04   #272
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Can these warning chimes be switched off? Else even regular highway runs on sub 100 kmph would have these throughout the journey !
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Old 16th August 2018, 01:54   #273
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Sorry for going off topic once again, but It sure does look like I offended the owner of an S-Cross! My post was not whether S-cross is better than the Creta or vice versa. My point is that cars such as the S-Cross, Ciaz and even the Brezza do not have any wow factor, considering you are spending 10-14 Lakhs on them. Sure, they are competent cars in their own way and I think a car like the Swift is a good fun to drive and VFM car. But once you cross 10 Lakhs, cars such as the Vento, City and the new Verna do feel special in terms of build or features etc. even the new Yaris has some very unique set of features. The S-Cross and the Ciaz are decent cars, but have no special feeling or USP apart from cheap to own and easy to service etc. Pretty neutral overall.

My point on the S-Cross being overrated was more to do with that 1.6 engine, I could be wrong, but when I did a brief drive it was not something that was very different from a VW 1.6 Diesel or a Hyundai 1.6 Diesel. Different figures on paper, but more or less similar on road.

We all have our opinions, but defending a car just because you own one does not sound objective.So lets say things as they are!
No offence taken buddy. I would anyday take constructive criticism with a healthy debate rather than getting emotional with your possession.

Having said all that I do understand you don't like Marutis and you have your reasons, but I find it difficult to digest the fact that cars like Ciaz and S-CROSS are overrated deprived of any wow factor and still selling in good numbers. The reason why Creta is selling 10000 copies consistently month after month... is not the wow factor, but it's a complete package and people don't mind paying that premium for a proven product.

Please tell me which cars in the price range are better?
What's the wow factor in vento, city and Verna? They are as ordinary as Ciaz and I will keep this debate to Ciaz only. Talking about being objective,

City diesel is wownew city is living under the shadow of OHC. No wonder it's losing the respect. Still it's a complete package and will continue to be sold in good numbers.

Coming to Verna, a wow 4 seater and Elantra on diet ( it's a complement on looks department). Same 1.6 engine and you can call those ventilated seats as novelty. It will soon be selling at the wrong side of 2000/month.

Vento/ Rapid, well the names are surely wow. How many copies they sell every month??? Those numbers do mean something and that's acceptability with masses. Being superior products than the so called ciaz, they couldn't strike a chord in the hearts of Indian consumers. Reasons are many.

I will tell you why ciaz sells. MARUTI as a company feels the pulse of public and evolving continuously, learning from their mistakes and maintaining the trust.
We all know the engine department is the weak point, but then it makes it up in other departments.

1. It looks good, proportionate, good 4.5 m sedan and cheapest in the lot.
2. It has mild hybrid for some time when all those wow cars couldn't come up with any innovation till now
3. It had all the features which were not present in those cars until last revisions.
4. And let's not talk about Marutis strengths.
5. The new 1.5 l engines might resolve the well known issue.

MARUTI cars are aimed at common public who look for no nonsense, value for money, comfortable family vehicles and not something which wows you. If I have money to buy an exciting car then I will surely look for Volvo/German trio etc which have more wow factors than city or Verna or vento. Ciaz and S-CROSS gives you more for the price you pay.

The point is the facelift has not arrived yet and you draw conclusions without giving it a chance. Wait for it my friend, it might just wow you.

[Mentioned wow multiple times not to make fun of the cars but to make the read a little funnier. Requesting mods to delete or modify the post if it doesn't go well with the forum policies.]
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Old 16th August 2018, 10:38   #274
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Maruti Ciaz to come with speed alert system

If the driver exceeds 80 km/h, the system prompts with 2 beeps every 60 seconds. Above 120 km/h, the system makes a continuous beeping sound. A similar system is also available on the Vitara Brezza.
My Linea has this speed alert feature with programmable speed. I set it to 105 or 110 to alert me if I go beyond the permissible speed limit of 100km/h. With my driving style, it seldom goes off. I would say it is a nice feature to have but wouldn't really miss it if I don't have it in my next car.

But it would be highly irritating if it beeps every 60 sec above 80 and continuously above 120. I hope Maruti provides some mechanism to switch off the beeps or a programmable speed alarm.
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Maruti Ciaz to come with speed alert system
Honestly speaking, this is going to be quite annoying if it is not programmable. If nothing else, the beeps could be very distracting

If at all they want to put it, why not as below:
  • 80: Single Beep: 60 seconds
  • 100: Double Beep: 60 seconds
  • 120: Double Beep: 30 seconds
  • 140: Continuous Beep

Or, is it another way of Maruti ensuring that fuel efficiency isn't hampered
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If at all they want to put it, why not as below:
  • 80: Single Beep: 60 seconds
  • 100: Double Beep: 60 seconds
  • 120: Double Beep: 30 seconds
  • 140: Continuous Beep

Or, is it another way of Maruti ensuring that fuel efficiency isn't hampered
It is as per governments upcoming Motor Act rule ammendments.
IMO the bill says maximum legally allowed speed is now 100 kmph.

Reverse parking sensors, Airbag (not sure if only one or both are mandetory or not), ABS and speed alarm is going to be mandetory.

Thank god, the policy only Mandates the Beep rather than enforcing a speed limit with some governing device.
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No offence taken buddy. I would anyday take constructive criticism with a healthy debate rather than getting emotional with your possession.
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I fail to understand as to why everything needs to be about sales numbers! My points were never about sales! Sure, Maruti is the market leader by a big margin. No debate on that. But the chart toppers are not necessarily the better cars. Else you would not have team bhpians lining up for the Ventos and the likes! And here you are saying that the Ventos and Rapids do not sell enough and hence we should consider the Ciaz a better car! So if you are an ardent Maruti lover, so be it!
Anyway, enough debate on this. I rest my case, point being that Ciaz and S-Cross have far better alternatives out there. If you do not think so, then that is ok. We do not have to agree.
But we are on Team-Bhp and here we do not go blindly by what sells. If so, you may not see the Vento official Review thread as on of the top threads most of the time!

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I'm eagerly awaiting the new Ciaz with new Petrol engine. I would be in the market for a new car by the end of this year (or early next year at most). As of now, my primary requirements/consideration are (definitely) a petrol car, spacious and good looking interiors, interior space, good city drivability and sorted highway manners. Preferably an auto-box and (having been stung by GM exit) manufactured by reliable car maker (read: no maker below a ford in the pecking order).

I have never liked Maruti cars, but have to concede - they have some good cars now in their stable (NEXA). Last time I checked out, I liked the S-cross (but absolutely hate that DDIS engine), and Ciaz (esp the S version, as I hate beige interiors too).

Looks wise and build wise, I liked Ciaz more than the City. If MS can give a competent new petrol engine...
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This speed limit warning buzzer has been there in some other cars like Fiat Linea since a decade, how does it qualify to be a radically new 'feature' in Ciaz that they are marketing it separately is beyond me. Maybe these are some features Maruti was talking about when they said their cars will meet Indian safety norms going forward

I had got a call from a Maruti Suzuki Sales representative few years ago about this new car Ciaz, and I asked him before he tries selling it to me, first please elaborate on what is the safety rating of Ciaz as VW Vento had NCAP rating. That guy simply hung up after a few unconvincing statements !
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how does it qualify to be a radically new 'feature' in Ciaz that they are marketing it separately is beyond me. Maybe these are some features Maruti was talking about when they said their cars will meet Indian safety norms going forward
The Design Engineers a decade back were probably more busier working the next generation bottle-holders for all doors while they ignored the safety?

So few of them ended up buying these cars looking at these features and quite oblivious to Safety ratings.

It is a well known fact - On how exactly one ends up buying a car in our country and we certainly have a long way to go and am sure the future will bring in tougher norms to make each car more and more safer.
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Here are the variants and colour options of the facelifted Ciaz. Automatic version misses out on Sigma variant.

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But it would be highly irritating if it beeps every 60 sec above 80 and continuously above 120. I hope Maruti provides some mechanism to switch off the beeps or a programmable speed alarm.
This alarming feature will be very much useful and welcome in Kerala NHs/SHs.

They have placed cameras on these roads and you if you go above 90 km/h, you will have to pose for camera .

Sometimes, I have gone in 100 km/h without noticing the speed sensing camera and got a memo at my home to pay 600 INR.

The memo had car photograph, date & time and the car speed.

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Any idea on weight gain for the Ciaz? When the Baleno RS was launched it had a more strengthened chassis than the existing Baleno. Any idea if the new Ciaz will feature a better chassis since there is a bump in the power?
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The upcoming Maruti Suzuki Ciaz facelift will have a speed alert system and seat belt reminder for both driver and front passenger. These safety features will be available across all variants of the new Ciaz.

According to a leaked document, the speed alert system reminds the driver to maintain a safe speed. If the driver exceeds 80 km/h, the system prompts with 2 beeps every 60 seconds. Above 120 km/h, the system makes a continuous beeping sound. A similar system is also available on the Vitara Brezza.
Actually, I remember having those beeps in the new car, when I purchased. They somehow disappeared after the first service. I did write to Pratham and Maruthi but they acted as if nothing of that sorts existed giving me some vague suggestion. I thought I was wrong. However, looking at this post, I was indeed right! There were speed alert beeps that disappeared after the first service. Not sure, why they had to disable them.
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I fail to understand as to why everything needs to be about sales numbers! My points were never about sales! Sure, Maruti is the market leader by a big margin. No debate on that. But the chart toppers are not necessarily the better cars. Else you would not have team bhpians lining up for the Ventos and the likes! And here you are saying that the Ventos and Rapids do not sell enough and hence we should consider the Ciaz a better car! So if you are an ardent Maruti lover, so be it!
Anyway, enough debate on this. I rest my case, point being that Ciaz and S-Cross have far better alternatives out there. If you do not think so, then that is ok. We do not have to agree.
But we are on Team-Bhp and here we do not go blindly by what sells. If so, you may not see the Vento official Review thread as on of the top threads most of the time!
Automobile companies are there to make profits either by selling a few cars at a very high profit margin or mass markets cars at a low profit margin. I doubt any company can survive long by selling a few "better cars" at a low profit margin. Peugeot 309, Opel Astra and Ford Escort are perfect examples of cars which were eventually discontinued because of low sales but might have been better in certain characteristics than the products of Maruti at the time.

I think you are thinking about the "better car" purely on your own terms. Every customer has certain preferences that he values for a car to a different extent like reliability, handling, cost of maintenance, brand, safety, fuel efficiency, aesthetic appeal, space, initial cost, resale value etc.

For the majority of the customer segment in this class of cars (Vento, Ciaz, Verna etc.) the Ciaz satisfies most of the desired preferences and hence sells more.

A minority of customers in this segment may value the German Brand, build quality, handling more than other characteristics mentioned above and choose to buy a Vento or Rapid. However just because they feel these characteristics are more important than others does not mean that their choice is "better" than the other options.

Also I think its false to assume a Bhpian knows what right for every customer and what is the "better option". I think each customer knows what features are best for him and looks for the option which satisfies most of them.
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