[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by NFS2024

Sorry tend to disagree on these two points. The whole point of having a petrol motor is to rev it unlike diesels. What you are talking about is diesel territory, while a petrol motor needs to be revved to extract performance and that is the whole point.

I guess that depends on which car and its usage too. Most people who buy a C segment sedan buy it for city purposes - and having to revv the motor unnecessarily wont be a pleasant experience to them.

Frankly - none of the current crop of C segmenters are very sporty either to hype the sporty engine so much. Such motor was required when there were options like the Fiesta (for an example) around. But most of the current crop are focused on interior space and features and not very much on the driving experience - with a matching soft suspension setup too. These cars are best complimented by a refined and driveable engine rather than a revv happy one with poor low end.

[VWAllstar]

Saw the new Ciaz Nexa Blue in person today. Not sure if there is anyone in here who like me feels that the earlier one had a better front fascia. The rear in the new one looks a bit more premium. But the face now feels like borrowed from Tata Nexon. A smiling grill? :S

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by rajshenoy

...Maruti seem to be expecting lot of buyers for petrol, hence the prices have been kept below 10L for Alpha variant petrol, however the diesel alpha variant is costlier by over 2L ex-showroom and this translates to around 3L difference between petrol and diesel...

The petrol (manual) Alpha is priced at 9.97L while diesel Alpha is 10.97L ex showroom (Bangalore). To me, it looks like just 1L premium, which is the norm in the industry. The price list is shared couple of posts above your post.

[rajshenoy]

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

The petrol (manual) Alpha is priced at 9.97L while diesel Alpha is 10.97L ex showroom (Bangalore). To me, it looks like just 1L premium, which is the norm in the industry. The price list is shared couple of posts above your post.

Thanks, sorry for the confusion. I think I was looking at the old prices new prices are 12.09L and 13 .9L for petrol and Diesel respectively. They have reduced the price for diesel while petrol is bit expensive now.

I was trying to highlight the additional difference due to the ex-showroom price exceeding 10L

[meetgds]

Originally Posted by VWAllstar

Saw the new Ciaz Nexa Blue in person today. Not sure if there is anyone in here who like me feels that the earlier one had a better front fascia. The rear in the new one looks a bit more premium. But the face now feels like borrowed from Tata Nexon. A smiling grill? :S

I had the exact feeling when I spotted 2 new Ciaz cars on road yesterday. It actually took me a while to determine it was the new Ciaz, while the car was approaching from far. I kind of liked the looks in the pics but on road, it just didn't feel too great.

[searacer932]

- Still the same old steering wheel. Even the new Swift and Dzire get a better steering wheel
- No soft touch plastics anywhere in the dashboard on a premium car
- The wood trim of lighter shade on the dash looks quite bad. The earlier darker shade was better
- All reviews have said that the new 1.5L petrol engine is as good only or as bad as the earlier 1.4L petrol engine
- No 6 airbags and no all wheel disc brakes in any variant on a supposedly premium car. The Ciaz is more Maruti, no no not Nexa, than any Maruti cars
- No sunroof
- No automated wipers
- No ventilated seats
- 4 speed AT in this age? Don't they have a better auto transmission.

If these points were addressed then certainly it would have made the car a lot more complete package. The current update looks like a half baked attempt by Maruti four years into the life cycle of Ciaz. The update is all about chrome, chrome and more chrome.

How about the build quality and structural integrity? Is the Ciaz as safe as the Yaris when it comes to these two parameters?

[adimicra]

Originally Posted by searacer932

- Still the same old steering wheel. Even the new Swift and Dzire get a better steering wheel
- No soft touch plastics anywhere in the dashboard on a premium car
- The wood trim of lighter shade on the dash looks quite bad. The earlier darker shade was better
- All reviews have said that the new 1.5L petrol engine is as good only or as bad as the earlier 1.4L petrol engine
- No 6 airbags and no all wheel disc brakes in any variant on a supposedly premium car. The Ciaz is more Maruti, no no not Nexa, than any Maruti cars
- No sunroof
- No automated wipers
- No ventilated seats
- 4 speed AT in this age? Don't they have a better auto transmission.

If these points were addressed then certainly it would have made the car a lot more complete package. The current update looks like a half baked attempt by Maruti four years into the life cycle of Ciaz. The update is all about chrome, chrome and more chrome.

How about the build quality and structural integrity? Is the Ciaz as safe as the Yaris when it comes to these two parameters?

+1.
I was actually surprised that this thread was kind of neutral to positive whereas Team Bhp is known for coming down really hard to half-baked attempts like this.

Apart from the points you called out above, I feel the new styling makes it look cheap and gaudy, particularly the front and rear chrome around fog lamps. The only thing which stands out are the new headlights and DRLs.

The USP for the Ciaz was only pricing vs the City or Verna, and it still remains the same apart from Maruti loyalists.

[Nav-i-gator]

Originally Posted by adimicra

+1.
I was actually surprised that this thread was kind of neutral to positive whereas Team Bhp is known for coming down really hard to half-baked attempts like this.

Apart from the points you called out above, I feel the new styling makes it look cheap and gaudy, particularly the front and rear chrome around fog lamps. The only thing which stands out are the new headlights and DRLs.

The USP for the Ciaz was only pricing vs the City or Verna, and it still remains the same apart from Maruti loyalists.

USP of Ciaz is not pricing, it's Value. Alpha manual top model retails at less than a million rupees - Keeping that in mind, the features, S P A C E, and looks (to me, it looks much better than the City, from every angle) make it a positive facelift, although as many of us have mentioned, it could have been better (6 airbags, better looking interior etc).

Having said that, what is the USP of City? Revv-happy engine, that's it? And Verna? (looks being subjective) Ventilated seats?

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by Foxbat

While this Ciaz is definitely outdated because we prefer last decades German styling.

Don't care much for the sarcasm going on, but then - I'm on the side that feels the new Ciaz looks good. Looks as much 'European' and elegant and Asian cars come, IMO.

No unnecessary cuts, creases or bulges anywhere. Chrome yes, but the subtle use does look good in the signature NEXA shade.

Source - http://overdrive.in/reviews/2019-mar...-drive-review/

Originally Posted by searacer932

- 4 speed AT in this age? Don't they have a better auto transmission.

True. The automatic is not worth considering - except for those only using inside the city.

[PraNeel]

Originally Posted by searacer932

- Still the same old steering wheel. Even the new Swift and Dzire get a better steering wheel
- No soft touch plastics anywhere in the dashboard on a premium car
- The wood trim of lighter shade on the dash looks quite bad. The earlier darker shade was better
- All reviews have said that the new 1.5L petrol engine is as good only or as bad as the earlier 1.4L petrol engine
- No 6 airbags and no all wheel disc brakes in any variant on a supposedly premium car. The Ciaz is more Maruti, no no not Nexa, than any Maruti cars
- No sunroof
- No automated wipers
- No ventilated seats
- 4 speed AT in this age? Don't they have a better auto transmission.

Agree on steering, 4 speed AT and 6 airbags. However, interior looks nice and elegant. None of the competitors offer soft touch plastics, 4 wheel disc brakes. I prefer a stronger roof than sunroof and don't care for auto wipers or headlamps. I prefer a variable intermittent wiper and rear fog lamp which are necessary in rainy and foggy conditions, which are missing.
More power is welcome however with that irritating beep post 120 don't know how will people enjoy city and verna engines, once the regulations kick in.

Originally Posted by adimicra

+1.
I feel the new styling makes it look cheap and gaudy, particularly the front and rear chrome around fog lamps. The only thing which stands out are the new headlights and DRLs.
The USP for the Ciaz was only pricing vs the City or Verna, and it still remains the same apart from Maruti loyalists.

I have gone through all the reviews and everyone has appreciated the facelift in terms of looks. I don't like the grill however, the car looks nicer than before for sure. Styling is subjective to individual taste. And Maruti also has a list of duds despite their loyalists!!

Originally Posted by Nav-i-gator

USP of Ciaz is not pricing, it's Value. Alpha manual top model retails at less than a million rupees - Keeping that in mind, the features, S P A C E, and looks make it a positive facelift, although as many of us have mentioned, it could have been better (6 airbags, better looking interior etc).

Agree

[sandx]

Originally Posted by adimicra

The USP for the Ciaz was only pricing vs the City or Verna, and it still remains the same apart from Maruti loyalists.

Pricing is a winner, but USPs include space and comfort as well, especially if someone is chauffeur driven. I would just stop short of comparing these by bypassing the segment altogether and say that it is D-segment competing. Lest this is reported as blasphemy.

[Leoshashi]

Premium Silver Shade, replaces Silky Silver

[MaheshY1]

Originally Posted by jassi_jeeper

The service advisor confirmed that the new petrol has two batteries and the diesel has just one. The additional battery in the petrol is a lithium-ion battery. As per the advisor's version, its job is to provide torque assist while overtaking. The advisor said that the start-stop is taken care by the primary lead-acid battery.

I asked the advisor about the voltage, cost and period of replacement of the lithium-ion battery. He had no answers to these questions.

The manual book talked of replacing the ISG belt after fixed intervals in a diesel but not in the petrol. There was no explanation to this as well.

Strange! I guess, Maruti haven't yet trained the technicians about these components. The ISG belt and Li-ion battery are expected to last at least a few years before begging for a replacement. Maruti has plenty of time until then and could train the technicians in these aspects in the coming months.

I reset the average FE meter before the test drive and at the end of a 3 km test drive with a very light foot and mostly in 2nd , 3rd and 4th gear, it displayed 16.7 kmpl. My old petrol gives similar figures in these conditions.

3km, I'd say is too small a distance to judge a car's fuel efficiency. I'm sure it'll post better results in the long run. As in, 2-3km/l of improvement.

I was told that if the AC temperature is set to a level and the hybrid has shut the engine while the car is stationary, then the engine will restart to power the AC if the cabin temperature goes higher than the set temperature. I asked what about the Sigma model which has a manual AC, there was no answer.

That's exactly the question that came to my mind. Even in manual ACs, the compressor rests intermittently. I guess, the ISG would kickstart the engine when the compressor asks it to.

Anyways, I'll wait for an official answer. Please do post it here if anyone gets an answer from their advisor.

All in all, I would stay away from all these electronics.

Well, I'd stay away from anything new. Like the new 1.5 petrol, the initial batches of Celerio AMT, the 800cc Celerio diesel, the 1st year of SHVS diesel, etc. I usually give any new tech/product about 1 year to sort out teething issues.

About 2 batteries (petrol) vs 1 (diesel):

Petrol revs faster and higher. So it can generate more current and do it rapidly. The lead-acid battery can neither charge nor discharge as quickly as the Li-ion.

The ability to quickly discharge is all the more important in the petrol because of its poorer torque ratings. Meanwhile, the diesel has a better bottom end so it doesn't need much torque from the battery in the first place.

About the belt replacement:

The diesel engine will certainly make the belt work harder because of its ~16:1 compression ratio. The petrol ISG will have an easier time getting the crank rotating because of a much lower compression ratio.

Much thanks Jassi for sharing your experience.

Originally Posted by searacer932

The current update looks like a half-baked attempt by Maruti four years into the life cycle of Ciaz. The update is all about chrome, chrome and more chrome.

Yup. It does look half-baked. That's why it's called a facelift/mid-life refresh. Swift, Dzire, and Verna are generation changes. Similarly, the Dzire and swift look like they're far ahead of the new Grand i10 and Xcent, because the Hyundai's were refreshed while the Swift/Dzire received a generation update. The Ciaz will have its time in another 3-4 years.

How about the build quality and structural integrity? Is the Ciaz as safe as the Yaris when it comes to these two parameters?

As far as crash compliance goes, I'm sure it meets the NCAP requirements. Beyond that, it's up to the manufacturer to decide whether demand/potential profits justify the investment in the development + manufacturing abilities.

If there's enough demand, Maruti will certainly bring the features you mentioned. You'll see that with time.

Mark my words, the Nexa will park a Rs 25 lakh rupee car on the showroom floor before 2025.

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by MaheshY1

As far as crash compliance goes, I'm sure it meets the NCAP requirements. Beyond that, it's up to the manufacturer to decide whether demand/potential profits justify the investment in the development + manufacturing abilities.

It has been built keeping local law coming into force, not the Euro-NCAP or any other international organisation. We can't be sure if it performs well until they test it and make the results public.

[DieselAddikt]

Originally Posted by MaheshY1

As far as crash compliance goes, I'm sure it meets the NCAP requirements. Beyond that, it's up to the manufacturer to decide whether demand/potential profits justify the investment in the development + manufacturing abilities.

Wow !! That gives me some hope. Is the source of the information credible? Can you share that as well? If this is true, I would consider one for my next purchase. Please do keep us folks posted.