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BHPian | Re: Booked Compass? Get a 4x4 for just Rs. 50,000 more. EDIT: It's old 2017 stock @Waspune - Before I begin, allow me to thank you for taking the time out to both read and then painstakingly address each of the things I said. Much appreciated. Quote:
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But non-existent articulation by comparison. And even in the Trailhawk the electronic wizardry manages a crawl ratio of 20:1. The Endeavour has 42:1 (or thereabouts). The Fortuner's is still higher for the manual and slightly less for the auto. But still, in my book the biggest chink in the compass's armour is its armour - the monocoque and its inherent lack of articulation. But that might be the only one. Quote:
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This is a comparison b/w the Everest and the Grand Cherokee - not just the Cherokee, the Grand Cherokee. In other words, the Compass's granddaddy, and not just its daddy. What I wish to underline is found when you jump to 2.48 (Grand Cherokee) and 3.58 (Everest) to see both vehicles do the chicken holes - even with the full off-road shebang the Grand Cherokee has, the wheels will go up. Not knocking the vehicle, but that's just how it is with monocoques - different thing, different purpose, different advantages. Quote:
ZF design. FCA Manufactured. Since I have faith in torque convertors, I am prepared to take the plunge if the auto on the trailhawk doesn't get on my nerves. Were it a DCT, there was just no way I'd go for it. Maybe if they gave it for free. And please, bringing up Land/Range Rover when there's a need to bolster the sense of reliability is like bringing an S-Vest to a Knife Fight. Quote:
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And need I remind you of the two posts in that regard GTO is probably sick of getting "You've been quoted!" notifications for? I am not going to pull the "anecdotal stats do not evidence make" thing on you sir, but quite frankly, on that front, FCA comes off pretty bad world-wide. Which is what I meant - any apprehensions I have about FCA India are far outweighed by FCA worldwide, as someone who loves to not only drool over cars he can't have (availability and/or cost no bar), but always goes over their reliability to death (even in my dreams, patchy work isn't skated over). Which isn't to say I would only ever buy a Toyota (I probably NEVER will, but that's all OT) - but I am quite aware of brands like Land Rover and the difference between their image and reality. Quote:
Unprofessionalism is Indian. Not (usually) tied to the manufacturer but the dealer. Look at Skoda. The best loved and most reliable brand in the UK. They descend to the level of base thievery in India when it comes to service. Look at Maruti's name and fame in India. But the way they behaved in both the Bangalore Baleno washing incident and the S-Cross 1.6 engine failure incident (both well documented and discussed on Team BHP) - shielding errant dealers, throwing the customer under the bus, threatening a customer, trying to hush up the incident. For a reasonable service standard to be achieved, one must first find a dealership that isn't infamous in your city (that too is a luxury), and then find a good man there - the rapport developing with the SA comes easy to me thankfully. Then it does not matter if it's Ford or MSIL. If one does have to involve them, MSIL has shown that they can be utter pillocks. Ford and Tata have been great. FCA I think will be quite friendly (despite the way certain clutch burn issues were handled), given that they need it right now. My problem lies with just how ghastly I think the larger worldwide conglomerate and its product portfolio is. Just about every Maserati. Things like the Fiat 500. And modern Jeeps aren't exactly reliable either. The reports on some Wranglers are the most disheartening of the lot. From suspension failures to the worst one of a ridiculous case of engine hydrolock where the company washed all hands off responsibility. And before anyone gets adversarial and brings up burden of proof, it's all there on Jalopnik (and other places too, but that's the only one I remember off the top off my head). And it really shouldn't be surprising for anyone who's gone through the review and thread. There's a lot to like and a lot of quality, but it is churlish to deny the failings and few glaring flaws. Quote:
But "Non! Non! Non! Mon ami!" I defy you to find someone with a less made up mind on not wanting Compass. For what it's worth, it has more than a fair chance of ending up in my driveway. I certainly will. For all I say against FCA, and how I keep bringing up flaws in the Compass is because I am genuinely interested. There can be freak flaws in any vehicle. There are outliers for all tolerances and MTBFs. There can be a few design flaws on any vehicle without being deal breakers. Someone with a bias against monocoques and crossovers can still end up with one. Happily. Spare availability might be an issue, but if volumes do continue, I see that aspect improving. I'll even have time to see if numbers keep up as I wait for the Trailhawk (now that some are saying numbers are tapering off after the hype, just like other less successful FCA products). But again, I won't be paying too much attention. Sure, I am as irritated as the next man when spares are hard to get (there is a Getz at home as well), but I philosophically rationalise it away as us being too used to the conveniences of large scale economies. Service will depend on aspects I already mentioned. But as far as my consideration goes, the Ford guy in my city has a poor-ish reputation coupled with a near monopoly in the clutch of cities around. A jeep showroom has finally opened up(before this, the nearest was 500km away). The owner owns VW and a poorly reputed Hyundai showroom (which I have experience of) here. Again, not ideal, but still - par for the course. So it's certainly not that I'm not considering it. In fact, I'm only going to be looking at 3 things now: 1. The monocoque vs ladder frame aspect. As much as I can learn (I have high hopes from the opinions here). 2. Cost. Obviously. Many considerations here. 3. Most importantly, as long as the Trailhawk makes me feel better than the Endeavour, the question is closed. The problem will be if they are quite similar and then I'll start worrying about whether I might want the bigger engine - you see, they do feel different even if the Compass is peppier. And then one might not get a chance to have a big 3.2L 5 cylinder in the future. Waiting for the Trailhawk basically. Thank you for the kind attention. (Apologies for what I'm sure are numerous missed oxford commas et. al., and a lack of clear flow, but time was getting on and I have feeling I might be in the wrong thread). | |||||||||||
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