Re: Pics: Chassis of Indian Ford Endeavour has less support than the international version! Quote:
Originally Posted by niteshbids I've tried to study the positioning, mounting locations and angles of the said members, to me it looks like they are for strengthening of the transmission mounting location so that the clutch/torque converter housing which connects the engine to the transmission and is made of aluminum, does not suffer extreme stress/strain when the engine/transmission is having to pull 3 tons of trailer cargo. |
Most likely the 3 tons trailer would be pulled on tarmac without even engaging low range. With low range engaged in an off-road situation, the stresses on Engine-transmission could be far higher. Quote:
Originally Posted by ruzbehxyz To keep things short, compromising on safety is not accepted and that too from Ford who is known for their strong cars or for that matter trucks. |
As an owner, that is my biggest concern. Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyline GT-R I feel that Ford would not just delete a "critical" component putting consumers at risk. |
The deletion is evident. Hopefully critical or not should be defined in Ford's response whenever they give it. Quote:
Originally Posted by speedmunster All those bashing Ford for not
equipping the Endeavour with the K-Struss, please consider the price of the product first. You guys deserve to be driving the tin boxes made by those so called big car makers. Well done everyone. |
That is exactly the whole point – for the price of the product why omit the 2 pieces of metal. Mod Note: Would request you to review the personal remark in this quote. Quote:
Originally Posted by VKumar Welcome on-board A.G., it is really great to have you here too, you indeed played Sehwag when it comes to the opening!! |
Thank you VKumar Quote:
Originally Posted by VKumar I won't doubt the safety of Endeavour, there have been enough of the crashes which prove that this car is still good when it comes to safety. |
In terms of safety, ‘Still good’ and same as ANCAP certified Everest would be 2 different things. Quote:
Originally Posted by VKumar Rest if the owner is very much dissatisfied with the Ford, then I am sitting with the cash and will be happy to have a well maintained silver color Endeavour at my disposal for 66% the price!! |
Had it been 106%, I would have given a thought . Quote:
Originally Posted by VKumar To be very frank, I am having only two expectations: - They won't revert at all
- They will revert with a thousand word long e-mail filled with a lot of redundant information
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Ford’s focus of ‘transparency’ would be given a new meaning if they do any of the above. Quote:
Originally Posted by nitinhegde - Such components Design is largely driven by market need and it's function(& not only cost!) |
Thanks for getting some insights. Incase this design change is market driven, Ford India should have the answer ready as the market driven design change would have originated from them only. Quote:
Originally Posted by n.devdath Let's leave the towing capacity, do we know the impact the resulting flex due to the omission of these members will have on the off-road & on-road behaviour of the vehicle AND its durability in the long run? |
With my concern for safety, I would add impact on the front offset crash test to your list. Quote:
Originally Posted by navpreet318 I hope now no one will start going to Tata and Mahindra Showrooms asking for K members in the Storme and Scorpio! |
OT: your response reminded me that Tata was very clear in this aspect. Pasting an extract from the Aria 4x2 review Quote:
Originally Posted by Stratos The primary difference is that Tata has removed the AWD system, making the cheaper Aria a RWD only. It's noteworthy to mention that the Aria AWD also had a RWD bias, and supplied torque (as much as 45%) to the front wheels *only* when required. To save on cost and to make the vehicle lighter (thus, more fuel efficient too), some chassis members have been removed. The Aria 4x2 is unfortunately not Euro NCAP crash rating worthy, as its AWD sibling is. |
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Fuel efficiency seems to have improved with the Aria 4x2 clocking 13.75 kpl in the ARAI tests. Considering the shaved weight of 200 kgs, this increment is minimal compared to the 13.5 kpl ARAI rating of the AWD.
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Alteast they clearly laid down the facts that crash ratings are different for 4x4 and 4x2. Quote:
Originally Posted by GTO Ah, a friend in Ford! Please ask your friend these two questions:
- Do people use SUVs for towing in the Philippines?
- Do people use SUVs for towing in China? |
I would add to the list towing load vs off-roading load vs load from an offset crash with and without the differences in Chassis. Quote:
Originally Posted by Lalvaz Its purely because we Indians do not demand better of our manufacturers that they think that they can get away with anything in India. |
Absolutely correct. Quote:
Originally Posted by swiftdiesel The first collage shows that silver part mounted differently. I'm not quite sure what that part is but mounted at the centre because of the mising K truss? |
The one marked in red is lower side of the automatic transmission. |