Updated Accord. Now launched.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 12th January 2007, 10:55

I wish they had launched a diesel too...

Would have been able to teach that overpriced laura a lesson or two...

Vid6639 · 12th January 2007, 11:10

Hey maxbhp the new accord which was launched does not have the CR-V engine of 162bhp, it still has the 142bhp older engine.

maxbhp · 12th January 2007, 11:16

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Originally Posted by vid6639

Hey maxbhp the new accord which was launched does not have the CR-V engine of 162bhp, it still has the 142bhp older engine.

Whats more interesting is the 161 PS , thats powers the CRV with the same engine , so what am trying to infer is that why is accord in the detuned state when a sedan can handle more power than CRV (CRV is not an out and out mud plugger

so I dont think the extra Torque/PS is needed )

Vid6639 · 12th January 2007, 12:07

Thing is the 161PS engine is the latest one. they have done modifications to this engine. The older one was 142bhp. They are not entirely the same engine.

Probably they got the latest engine on the CR-V as it's an import.

The accord is assembled here. The cost of bringing about engine changes might have been high hence the decision to retain the older engine.

so, what I'm trying to say is that it's not detuned in the accord but the CR-V and accord share different engines.

The older CR-V had the same engine this one doesn't.

BEEM3R · 12th January 2007, 14:05

Guys, Ive seen both the old accord and the facelift in America when studying there. Its the worst rear end job ever done on a car. I know the old accords rear was considered dumpy or whatever but it was what the car was designed with. Designed keeping the entire profile of the car in mind and hence flows with the rest of the car and is unified and doesnt not stand out. The car had a great sporty stance and viewed dead from the rear or sides couldnt be really critisized. On the New Accord its clear just the rear was changed. Its makes the whole car look extremely conservative and no addition of rims or wider tires can make that rear end look sporty. What is especially unappealing is how the bumper meets the tail lamps leaving a space for the boot lid to faciliate easy loading and unloading. While that is appreaciated on either end of the lid the bumper looks like two massive chunks meeting the tail lamp. Pictures can make good looking cars look bad and bad looking cars good. Wait to see it in the flesh. I would anyday prefer my present accord to this facelift.

maxbhp · 12th January 2007, 14:49

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Originally Posted by vid6639

Thing is the 161PS engine is the latest one. they have done modifications to this engine. The older one was 142bhp. They are not entirely the same engine.

Probably they got the latest engine on the CR-V as it's an import.

The accord is assembled here. The cost of bringing about engine changes might have been high hence the decision to retain the older engine.

so, what I'm trying to say is that it's not detuned in the accord but the CR-V and accord share different engines.

The older CR-V had the same engine this one doesn't.

I never knew that. Seeing same displacement, same engine configuration ,same Fuel system I was having the perception that they are essentially the same engine in different states of tune , a La 2003 C200CDI-E220CDI trick . My apologies if am wrong.

Vid6639 · 12th January 2007, 15:03

Hey max they are the same engines. It's just that they kept upgrading a few things every year and boosting power. It's a bit like the merc your mentioning as well as like wagonR or santro who keep making some changes to increase power.
There's really not much reason to detune for honda other than mileage. CR-V mileage isn't too great whereas accords is. Could be due to aerodynamics as well.
The accord can handle the power for sure but remember that the CR-V has partial 4WD and will be heavier so needs the extra horses.

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My apologies if am wrong.

dont worry about it. I could be as well.

cheers

karan561 · 12th January 2007, 15:57

The tail lamps have been inspired from the MONDEO , but still it does the job well , its an ACCORD after all .....

lamborghini · 13th January 2007, 16:47

Really dissapointed after seeing the new Accord.
I remember reading about them increasing the engine's power and making a few changes to the suspension in the new model.
None of this has happened.
Was up and ready to convince my dad to get the new accord in exchange for our old one but looking at the luxury car market, our old one is certainly the best.
Really dissapointed with Honda this time.

dipen · 13th January 2007, 18:36

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Originally Posted by lamborghini

Really dissapointed after seeing the new Accord.
I remember reading about them increasing the engine's power and making a few changes to the suspension in the new model.
None of this has happened.
Was up and ready to convince my dad to get the new accord in exchange for our old one but looking at the luxury car market, our old one is certainly the best.
Really dissapointed with Honda this time.

how abt exchaging the old accord for the new Sonata Diesel ?
Its more faster than the Accord and more fuel efficient, more spacious . and does not so bad at all.

Mendi · 13th January 2007, 19:14

Originally Posted by lamborghini

Really dissapointed after seeing the new Accord.
I remember reading about them increasing the engine's power and making a few changes to the suspension in the new model.
None of this has happened.
Was up and ready to convince my dad to get the new accord in exchange for our old one but looking at the luxury car market, our old one is certainly the best.
Really dissapointed with Honda this time."

i cant comment on the engine technicalities but when it comes to design and looks and luxury and elegance and richness and so on... i believe the Old Accord is more more farway good looking then the new Accord. What i used to like most in the Accord was its complete Back. The most sturdy look with Richness all over which somehow seems to be vanished in the new Accord. I didnt quite like the inspired Merc taillamps in an Accord.

lamborghini · 13th January 2007, 19:16

Dipen,
that seems to be the only option remaining unless we go above 20L.
But i guess we will wait and see now. Let's see how the Sonata does in the markets.
Cheers

SRK · 14th January 2007, 20:38

Nice Looking Car!!

But I prefered the old one..They could have just changed the lamp designed to something like that on the civic instead of giving it the triangular treatment..
It would also be same like every one in the indian honda family..
Also i think the front should have been given a small treatment..Like changing the bumpers,the grill..
But in the end Its a good product..Would love to own one of these one day...

Question:
Does this new accord have the Pedal shifters??

Vid6639 · 14th January 2007, 20:50

Nope SRK no paddle shifters. only 5 speed AT.

danlalan · 14th January 2007, 21:15

Thts a lot of plastic for the rear fender..specially just below the tail lights..its no more a sporty accord..they've changed it to a more corporate look..sad but this might just give it a boost in sales..we may not like it but it doesnt matter to them(honda). iam sure there will be a boost in accord sales this time round...its really sad for sonata though..wrong timing i guess...

12th January 2007, 10:55	#31
CrAzY dRiVeR Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore / TVM Posts: 17,181 Thanked: 73,505 Times View My Garage	I wish they had launched a diesel too... Would have been able to teach that overpriced laura a lesson or two...
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12th January 2007, 11:10	#32
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,730 Thanked: 43,477 Times View My Garage	Hey maxbhp the new accord which was launched does not have the CR-V engine of 162bhp, it still has the 142bhp older engine.
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12th January 2007, 12:07	#34
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,730 Thanked: 43,477 Times View My Garage	Thing is the 161PS engine is the latest one. they have done modifications to this engine. The older one was 142bhp. They are not entirely the same engine. Probably they got the latest engine on the CR-V as it's an import. The accord is assembled here. The cost of bringing about engine changes might have been high hence the decision to retain the older engine. so, what I'm trying to say is that it's not detuned in the accord but the CR-V and accord share different engines. The older CR-V had the same engine this one doesn't.
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12th January 2007, 14:05	#35
BEEM3R BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dubai-Chennai Posts: 311 Thanked: 20 Times	Guys, Ive seen both the old accord and the facelift in America when studying there. Its the worst rear end job ever done on a car. I know the old accords rear was considered dumpy or whatever but it was what the car was designed with. Designed keeping the entire profile of the car in mind and hence flows with the rest of the car and is unified and doesnt not stand out. The car had a great sporty stance and viewed dead from the rear or sides couldnt be really critisized. On the New Accord its clear just the rear was changed. Its makes the whole car look extremely conservative and no addition of rims or wider tires can make that rear end look sporty. What is especially unappealing is how the bumper meets the tail lamps leaving a space for the boot lid to faciliate easy loading and unloading. While that is appreaciated on either end of the lid the bumper looks like two massive chunks meeting the tail lamp. Pictures can make good looking cars look bad and bad looking cars good. Wait to see it in the flesh. I would anyday prefer my present accord to this facelift.
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12th January 2007, 15:57	#38
karan561 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 5,068 Thanked: 22,246 Times View My Garage	The tail lamps have been inspired from the MONDEO , but still it does the job well , its an ACCORD after all .....
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13th January 2007, 16:47	#39
lamborghini Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 6,113 Thanked: 5,760 Times View My Garage	Really dissapointed after seeing the new Accord. I remember reading about them increasing the engine's power and making a few changes to the suspension in the new model. None of this has happened. Was up and ready to convince my dad to get the new accord in exchange for our old one but looking at the luxury car market, our old one is certainly the best. Really dissapointed with Honda this time.
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13th January 2007, 19:14	#41
Mendi BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Melbourne, AU Posts: 69 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	Originally Posted by lamborghini Really dissapointed after seeing the new Accord. I remember reading about them increasing the engine's power and making a few changes to the suspension in the new model. None of this has happened. Was up and ready to convince my dad to get the new accord in exchange for our old one but looking at the luxury car market, our old one is certainly the best. Really dissapointed with Honda this time." i cant comment on the engine technicalities but when it comes to design and looks and luxury and elegance and richness and so on... i believe the Old Accord is more more farway good looking then the new Accord. What i used to like most in the Accord was its complete Back. The most sturdy look with Richness all over which somehow seems to be vanished in the new Accord. I didnt quite like the inspired Merc taillamps in an Accord.
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13th January 2007, 19:16	#42
lamborghini Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 6,113 Thanked: 5,760 Times View My Garage	Dipen, that seems to be the only option remaining unless we go above 20L. But i guess we will wait and see now. Let's see how the Sonata does in the markets. Cheers
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14th January 2007, 20:38	#43
SRK Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,201 Thanked: 524 Times	Nice Looking Car!! But I prefered the old one..They could have just changed the lamp designed to something like that on the civic instead of giving it the triangular treatment.. It would also be same like every one in the indian honda family.. Also i think the front should have been given a small treatment..Like changing the bumpers,the grill.. But in the end Its a good product..Would love to own one of these one day... Question: Does this new accord have the Pedal shifters??
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14th January 2007, 20:50	#44
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,730 Thanked: 43,477 Times View My Garage	Nope SRK no paddle shifters. only 5 speed AT.
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14th January 2007, 21:15	#45
danlalan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: mumbai,JUHU Posts: 1,636 Thanked: 263 Times View My Garage	Thts a lot of plastic for the rear fender..specially just below the tail lights..its no more a sporty accord..they've changed it to a more corporate look..sad but this might just give it a boost in sales..we may not like it but it doesnt matter to them(honda). iam sure there will be a boost in accord sales this time round...its really sad for sonata though..wrong timing i guess...
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