Would you like to have ABS and Airbags

speedzak · 7th January 2007, 23:33

I would like to have both of them. And can somebody make it a bit cheaper??

rahul_intlad · 8th January 2007, 10:53

A report BY the NHTSA[usa] with regards ABS[1993 report,so may have become outdated]:

1>.The risk of fatal collisions with pedestrians and bicyclists was reduced by a statistically significant 27 percent in passenger cars with ABS. Unlike the effects for multivehicle crashes, this reduction was about equally large on wet and dry roads.

2>.ABS had little effect on multivehicle crashes on dry roads. The contrast in the results for wet roads and dry roads is consistent with findings in stopping tests, where ABS improved stopping distances and directional control substantially on wet surfaces, but much less so on dry surfaces.

3>.All types of run-off-road crashes - rollovers, side impacts with fixed objects and frontal impacts with fixed objects - increased significantly with ABS. Nonfatal run-off-road crashes increased by an estimated 19 percent, and fatal crashes by 28 percent.

4>.Rollovers and side impacts with fixed objects - crashes that typically follow a complete loss of directional control - had the highest increases with ABS. Nonfatal crashes increased by 28 percent, and fatal crashes by 40 percent.

5>.Frontal impacts with fixed objects, where the driver is more likely to have retained at least some directional control prior to impact, increased by about 15-20 percent, both nonfatal and fatal.

6>.The negative effects of ABS on run-off-road crashes were about the same under wet and dry road conditions.The reason for these negative effects is unknown. One possibility is that average drivers may at times steer improperly in panic situations. Because ABS preserves steering control under hard braking, cars may be swerving or heading off the road

We have already had a discussion on this topic on team-bhp itself about whether ABS would be effective on Dry surfaces.

Its important to train drivers how to handle cars with ABS.

The rest of the report:
ABS Passenger Cars

ramki067 · 8th January 2007, 11:09

I'm in favour of both ABS and Airbags and when touring it does really help...

and for "theEnd" you can tick both the options

sreenivass · 8th January 2007, 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedzak

I would like to have both of them. And can somebody make it a bit cheaper??

Thats a very straight forward opinion speedzak, I thought the only way price reduction could happen is for the government to make them mandatory. Is there any thing we could do ?

esteem_lover · 8th January 2007, 12:57

ABS is a must for all cars. Airbags could be optional, not for me, i prefer to lose my teeth & nose too. LOL

remcy007 · 8th January 2007, 13:31

ABS shold be made mandatory for all Indian Cars..
Airbags.. only when we can get 100% insurance cover(even 75% to 80% is ok) to get it redone when they are deployed.

Surprise · 8th January 2007, 18:27

Still I regret for not opting the ABS version with marginal increase in the price. Explored the option of getting it fitted, but lost hope midway & coped up to live with what i had

boybandreject · 8th January 2007, 18:32

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Originally Posted by rahul_intlad

Though this is a hilarious video,if airbags can be deployed on such light impacts imagine the trouble and costs involved to maintain a car with airbags in India,perhaps airbags will have to be indianised before they feature as standard fitment here.

YouTube - airbag mercedes

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2] Fake, obviously. Unless there was a major malfunction, airbags a) don't go off when the car isn't moving, b)[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]An airbag going off is more violent than that and c)[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]don't go off with an impact that slight.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]Cars have multiple sensors for the airbags, somewhere in the range of 5 or more IIRC. Something like 3 or more sensors have to agree that there has been an accident before the airbag will deploy[/SIZE][/FONT]

rks · 8th January 2007, 18:37

I (can) live without either, but would be happy to fit ABS if it is offered for my car (which it isn't). I do not want airbags, as there are some question marks about their effectiveness and safety, besides the high cost.

MADMAX111 · 8th January 2007, 18:44

ABS & Airbags both required. A recent comment on Renaut Logan on C&B Show on NDTV profit went like this " The Renault Logan would need to be positioned as an aspirational car. So some of the safety features might be dropped for Indian market and the style quoteint increased to keep price under control" May not be verbatim but it meant the same. Just goes to show how less important our lives are to ourselves and how well the manufactureres know this. As is evident on this thread not many ppl have opted for airbags. Even if you are ready to loose a few teeth pl think of your family. I think the airbags should be made essential optional eqpt to start with so that ppl who value their lives at least have an option. It makes more sense in indian conditions to have these devices in small cars as they are less safer than big cars generally.

sreenivass · 8th January 2007, 21:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by MADMAX111

ABS & Airbags both required. A recent comment on Renaut Logan on C&B Show on NDTV profit went like this " The Renault Logan would need to be positioned as an aspirational car. So some of the safety features might be dropped for Indian market and the style quoteint increased to keep price under control" May not be verbatim but it meant the same. Just goes to show how less important our lives are to ourselves and how well the manufactureres know this. As is evident on this thread not many ppl have opted for airbags. Even if you are ready to loose a few teeth pl think of your family. I think the airbags should be made essential optional eqpt to start with so that ppl who value their lives at least have an option. It makes more sense in indian conditions to have these devices in small cars as they are less safer than big cars generally.

Thanks for expressing your thoughts so well. The very reason that made me start this poll is to now how many of us are aware of the security features we are missing and that are almost essential in the west. The only problem is ABS and Airbags are still very expensive in India. One way the prices could be brought down is to make them essential on all cars. This will result in mass market and prices can go down. At the moment people spending about 10L are also not getting some of these features. I hope Maruti will lead the way, I see a trend starting with Swift offering them both.

rr_zen · 9th January 2007, 03:44

A definite "YES" to both airbags and ABS. After all safety is everything and its high time we had these as standard equipment on our cars !

condor · 9th January 2007, 07:26

I want both, and want them factory-fitted.

salilpawar1 · 9th January 2007, 07:38

I want both of them along with ESP too!!!

CrAzY dRiVeR · 9th January 2007, 08:26

I think, the question should have been segment wise...

All guys buying sedans, will be happy with ABS and airbags.. They can afford it more, and considering the speeds baleno, OHC etc can do... Its more of a neccessity...

In even faster cars, its suicidal not to have ABS...

But people buying smallers cars... Like i had a M800 before (the max i took it to is 120 kmph)... and now a wagonR... There is no question of airbags... simply because i wont be able to afford it...

View Poll Results: Would you like your car to have ABS and Airbags
Want ABS	146	78.07%
Want Airbags	105	56.15%
They dont help, not required	2	1.07%
Cost too much, otherwise I like to have them fitted	41	21.93%
Not sure	3	1.60%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 187. You may not vote on this poll

7th January 2007, 23:33	#31
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	I would like to have both of them. And can somebody make it a bit cheaper??
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8th January 2007, 10:53	#32
rahul_intlad Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 1,579 Thanked: 4 Times	A report BY the NHTSA[usa] with regards ABS[1993 report,so may have become outdated]: 1>.The risk of fatal collisions with pedestrians and bicyclists was reduced by a statistically significant 27 percent in passenger cars with ABS. Unlike the effects for multivehicle crashes, this reduction was about equally large on wet and dry roads. 2>.ABS had little effect on multivehicle crashes on dry roads. The contrast in the results for wet roads and dry roads is consistent with findings in stopping tests, where ABS improved stopping distances and directional control substantially on wet surfaces, but much less so on dry surfaces. 3>.All types of run-off-road crashes - rollovers, side impacts with fixed objects and frontal impacts with fixed objects - increased significantly with ABS. Nonfatal run-off-road crashes increased by an estimated 19 percent, and fatal crashes by 28 percent. 4>.Rollovers and side impacts with fixed objects - crashes that typically follow a complete loss of directional control - had the highest increases with ABS. Nonfatal crashes increased by 28 percent, and fatal crashes by 40 percent. 5>.Frontal impacts with fixed objects, where the driver is more likely to have retained at least some directional control prior to impact, increased by about 15-20 percent, both nonfatal and fatal. 6>.The negative effects of ABS on run-off-road crashes were about the same under wet and dry road conditions.The reason for these negative effects is unknown. One possibility is that average drivers may at times steer improperly in panic situations. Because ABS preserves steering control under hard braking, cars may be swerving or heading off the road We have already had a discussion on this topic on team-bhp itself about whether ABS would be effective on Dry surfaces. Its important to train drivers how to handle cars with ABS. The rest of the report: ABS Passenger Cars Last edited by rahul_intlad : 8th January 2007 at 10:56.
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8th January 2007, 11:09	#33
ramki067 BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: BANGALORE Posts: 610 Thanked: 35 Times View My Garage	I'm in favour of both ABS and Airbags and when touring it does really help... and for "theEnd" you can tick both the options
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8th January 2007, 12:57	#35
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 502 Times View My Garage	ABS is a must for all cars. Airbags could be optional, not for me, i prefer to lose my teeth & nose too. LOL
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8th January 2007, 13:31	#36
remcy007 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 34 Thanked: Once	ABS shold be made mandatory for all Indian Cars.. Airbags.. only when we can get 100% insurance cover(even 75% to 80% is ok) to get it redone when they are deployed.
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8th January 2007, 18:27	#37
Surprise Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,523 Thanked: 454 Times	Still I regret for not opting the ABS version with marginal increase in the price. Explored the option of getting it fitted, but lost hope midway & coped up to live with what i had
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8th January 2007, 18:37	#39
rks BANNED Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ?? Posts: 1,238 Thanked: 17 Times	I (can) live without either, but would be happy to fit ABS if it is offered for my car (which it isn't). I do not want airbags, as there are some question marks about their effectiveness and safety, besides the high cost.
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8th January 2007, 18:44	#40
MADMAX111 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 191 Thanked: 109 Times	ABS & Airbags both required. A recent comment on Renaut Logan on C&B Show on NDTV profit went like this " The Renault Logan would need to be positioned as an aspirational car. So some of the safety features might be dropped for Indian market and the style quoteint increased to keep price under control" May not be verbatim but it meant the same. Just goes to show how less important our lives are to ourselves and how well the manufactureres know this. As is evident on this thread not many ppl have opted for airbags. Even if you are ready to loose a few teeth pl think of your family. I think the airbags should be made essential optional eqpt to start with so that ppl who value their lives at least have an option. It makes more sense in indian conditions to have these devices in small cars as they are less safer than big cars generally.
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9th January 2007, 03:44	#42
rr_zen Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 1,799 Thanked: 400 Times View My Garage	A definite "YES" to both airbags and ABS. After all safety is everything and its high time we had these as standard equipment on our cars !
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9th January 2007, 07:26	#43
condor Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Speed-brkr City Posts: 15,863 Thanked: 16,006 Times View My Garage	I want both, and want them factory-fitted.
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9th January 2007, 07:38	#44
salilpawar1 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (MH-01) Posts: 852 Thanked: 247 Times View My Garage	I want both of them along with ESP too!!!
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9th January 2007, 08:26	#45
CrAzY dRiVeR Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore / TVM Posts: 17,174 Thanked: 73,462 Times View My Garage	I think, the question should have been segment wise... All guys buying sedans, will be happy with ABS and airbags.. They can afford it more, and considering the speeds baleno, OHC etc can do... Its more of a neccessity... In even faster cars, its suicidal not to have ABS... But people buying smallers cars... Like i had a M800 before (the max i took it to is 120 kmph)... and now a wagonR... There is no question of airbags... simply because i wont be able to afford it...
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