DDiS - A run-in on the engine

navdeep · 21st January 2007, 08:41

The DDiS engine, co-developed by Fiat, Opel and Suzuki, will be the country's first super compact common rail diesel engine. It has won the international engine of the year award for 2005.

The engine is already being offered with the Suzuki Swift in markets such as Poland, Hungary and the UK. It will also be the lightest diesel engine, endowing it with a high power-to-weight ratio. With a total displacement of 1,248cc, the DDiS engine puts out a peak power of 75bhp (5bhp more than the European version) at 4,000 rpm.

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The Hindu Business Line : A run-in on the engine

abhibh · 21st January 2007, 13:41

WOW 75BHP now i can say swift still can give competition to getz crdi (most probably 82 bhp) and punto...

.. Nice work maruti.

But please dont compare it with Logan and Fiesta in ads..

rahul_intlad · 21st January 2007, 18:13

The engine is a result of a collaboration between Gm and fiat,Gm is still a stake holder in this venture is what I believe

Maruti's days as a petrol passenger car manufacturer are numbered!

jeetu4444 · 22nd January 2007, 04:55

yup new autocar feb issue has driven the diesel swift......check it out

amtak · 22nd January 2007, 10:45

Yes, even TOP GEAR drove the same and they are expecting that the car would be priced at 5.56 lakhs...

directinjection · 22nd January 2007, 11:38

No ZXi counterpart for the diesel Swift?
Sluggish below 1500 RPM?
Only 1400 bar pressure developed by the CRDI pump (Tata's DICORs develop 1600 bars)

That's really disappointing.
I was expecting so much more.

Steeroid · 22nd January 2007, 12:21

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Originally Posted by directinjection

(Tata's DICORs develop 1600 bars)

Yeah but their 1.4 Dicor develops just 70 bhp and 140 nm of torque, both figures easily bettered by this smaller motor. Who really cares about the pressure at which the fuel is delivered as long as the engine and the car delivers?

theMAG · 22nd January 2007, 12:29

There are actually 2 versions of this same 1.3L Multijet - the 70 Bhp "plain jane" and the 88 bhp Variable Geometry. Do I hear anyone say "88 bhp" or the normal "30 kmpl" version?!

rahul_intlad · 22nd January 2007, 12:56

Fiat has preferred to keep the VGT technology for themselves,The suzuki ddis does not have VGT.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 23rd January 2007, 00:03

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Originally Posted by rahul_intlad

Fiat has preferred to keep the VGT technology for themselves,The suzuki ddis does not have VGT.

With VGT, swift diesel could be more expensive than many sedans...

naaaaaaa......... Not good!!!

.anshuman · 23rd January 2007, 01:19

but still it wont have any competition and will be best in class for long time to come,tata cant match them with their dicor range.

cartech · 23rd January 2007, 16:53

I wonder, how Swift Diesel will fare with respect to Logan 1.5 DCI. Engine features look similar (70BHP). If priced similarly, people will most probably opt for Logan.

Where this will leave Getz Diesel? Can they get Verna diesel engine at correct price band? If not then it will be end of Getz.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 23rd January 2007, 17:57

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Originally Posted by .anshuman

but still it wont have any competition and will be best in class for long time to come,tata cant match them with their dicor range.

Makes sense to have VGT with more power as an option...

however, as the only model, i'd say no no...

Cause the price difference between petrol and diesel versions will be too much... And logan is coming too...

rahul_intlad · 25th January 2007, 19:14

Any updates on how maruti has achieved an additional 5 bhp for the same ddis engine.Also any body able to explain benefits maruti is talking about 5 point injection vs three point injection of other diesel engines.

Jaggu · 25th January 2007, 19:31

more accurate fuel metering at injection, precise control on combustion, better efficiency, lesser vibration

21st January 2007, 08:41	#1
navdeep BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 892 Thanked: 4 Times	DDiS - A run-in on the engine The DDiS engine, co-developed by Fiat, Opel and Suzuki, will be the country's first super compact common rail diesel engine. It has won the international engine of the year award for 2005. The engine is already being offered with the Suzuki Swift in markets such as Poland, Hungary and the UK. It will also be the lightest diesel engine, endowing it with a high power-to-weight ratio. With a total displacement of 1,248cc, the DDiS engine puts out a peak power of 75bhp (5bhp more than the European version) at 4,000 rpm. Reead more "]here Source : The Hindu Business Line : A run-in on the engine Last edited by ajmat : 21st January 2007 at 09:23. Reason: copied from Business line
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21st January 2007, 13:41	#2
abhibh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in the HOOD near you! Posts: 2,768 Thanked: 39 Times	WOW 75BHP now i can say swift still can give competition to getz crdi (most probably 82 bhp) and punto... .. Nice work maruti. But please dont compare it with Logan and Fiesta in ads..
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21st January 2007, 18:13	#3
rahul_intlad Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 1,579 Thanked: 4 Times	The engine is a result of a collaboration between Gm and fiat,Gm is still a stake holder in this venture is what I believe Maruti's days as a petrol passenger car manufacturer are numbered! Last edited by rahul_intlad : 21st January 2007 at 18:20.
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22nd January 2007, 04:55	#4
jeetu4444 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 305 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	yup new autocar feb issue has driven the diesel swift......check it out
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22nd January 2007, 10:45	#5
amtak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai - The city of Sea Link!!! Posts: 2,914 Thanked: 899 Times View My Garage	Yes, even TOP GEAR drove the same and they are expecting that the car would be priced at 5.56 lakhs...
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22nd January 2007, 11:38	#6
directinjection Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Faridabad/Delhi Posts: 1,703 Thanked: 780 Times	No ZXi counterpart for the diesel Swift? Sluggish below 1500 RPM? Only 1400 bar pressure developed by the CRDI pump (Tata's DICORs develop 1600 bars) That's really disappointing. I was expecting so much more.
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22nd January 2007, 12:29	#8
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	There are actually 2 versions of this same 1.3L Multijet - the 70 Bhp "plain jane" and the 88 bhp Variable Geometry. Do I hear anyone say "88 bhp" or the normal "30 kmpl" version?!
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22nd January 2007, 12:56	#9
rahul_intlad Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 1,579 Thanked: 4 Times	Fiat has preferred to keep the VGT technology for themselves,The suzuki ddis does not have VGT.
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23rd January 2007, 01:19	#11
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,064 Times View My Garage	but still it wont have any competition and will be best in class for long time to come,tata cant match them with their dicor range.
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23rd January 2007, 16:53	#12
cartech BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 198 Thanked: Once	Swift Diesel vs Logan 1.5DCI? I wonder, how Swift Diesel will fare with respect to Logan 1.5 DCI. Engine features look similar (70BHP). If priced similarly, people will most probably opt for Logan. Where this will leave Getz Diesel? Can they get Verna diesel engine at correct price band? If not then it will be end of Getz.
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25th January 2007, 19:14	#14
rahul_intlad Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 1,579 Thanked: 4 Times	Any updates on how maruti has achieved an additional 5 bhp for the same ddis engine.Also any body able to explain benefits maruti is talking about 5 point injection vs three point injection of other diesel engines.
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25th January 2007, 19:31	#15
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,212 Thanked: 15,892 Times	more accurate fuel metering at injection, precise control on combustion, better efficiency, lesser vibration
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