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Old 13th July 2020, 14:14   #676
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2.) Brochure size should be smart enough not to exhaust buyers with excess information or lose customers without information.

And in both cases , the brochure needs to be accurate and not misleading atleast (remember the suspension discussion)
At the end of the day, these might sound trivial to many.. however, Iíve got my reasons to be interested in these details.
Yes suspension saga was a careless miss from VW.
But now going forward, we can expect wonderful ownership details from Harneet.
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Hi Harneet,

I am surprised that CBUs are exempt from this requirement and a bit jealous too.. My 330i Sport beeps (at 120 km/hr) like the helicopter scene in Apocalypse Now. I always thought the beeping rule(s) was applicable to all M1 vehicles "sold" in India after 1 July 2019, but now believe it applies to vehicles "manufactured" in India after that date.
I donít think that CBUís are exempt from this rule.
Hereís a link to the autocarís G63 review.
At 5:25 he complains of the same.

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Looks:
The most beautiful looking crossover hatchback-ish compact SUV(W?). I can't get enough of it. People can't get enough of it. People give me a almost everyday I take it out. I have had smiles from guys(only lol) in BMW's, Mercs, and on bikes! It will make people notice. It has the silhouette of a old-gen Q3 with strong boxy lines, it was a tug of heart-strings for me, this car. Just like my polo was almost 10 years ago, it just looks that good.
T-ROC in BLACK looks stunning IMO. Knew you had your heart set on the looks of it, glad you waited and made this call. Something to do with VW cars, once smitten by them, no going back I suppose
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Interestingly the front centre armrest can be adjusted at various angles to the horizontal as per the driver's comfort level in additional to the sliding function.
The small storage space beneath the armrest is deep enough to fit a large smartphone.
Also noticed a small drawer beneath the driver's seat to store documents/small items . The front passenger seat did not have the drawer however.
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Old 13th July 2020, 23:50   #680
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Interestingly the front centre armrest can be adjusted at various angles to the horizontal as per the driver's comfort level in additional to the sliding function.
I noticed that today! Thanks!

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Also noticed a small drawer beneath the driver's seat to store documents/small items . The front passenger seat did not have the drawer however.
The passenger one has a small rail for fitting one. It still might come to use for stashing a small box/iPad.

The driver side under-seat box is felt lined. I like that it isnít cheap feeling.
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This is mostly cause you were at a slow speed and maybe there was a slight incline or acceleration needed.

The DSG can shift very fast so it is not hesitant to go down and back up instantly.

Also, maybe in D2 2 cylinders were deactivated and that came back on hence the rpm increased.

This is the 7 speed DSG with dry clutch and in general it's behaviour is to go to D2 very fast and even at slow speeds it rarely drops to 1st and even when it does it shifts back to D2 very fast.
I understand the above. I also see below remark about kangarooing.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...ght-for-owners
  • Jabbafumi46 ē 7 months ago Hi all,
    Iíll give you 3 words, ďMiller cycle motorĒ. VAG will never solve the problem with software as it is a mechanical problem that cannot be fixed by software alone. The DSG box masks the problem more effectively but it is still prevalent. The design brief for the 1.5 TSi engine was the torque and economy of a Diesel engine with the power of a petrol. It was designed in response to diesel gate. A miller cycle motor was designed a long time ago for diesel marine engines and VAG tried to apply the logic to the 1.5 engine. Simply, during the compression and combustion strokes the inlet valves are opened to create a bigger combustion area, opening a valve during the combustion stroke would normally result in the car stalling. VAG get around this by creating back pressure using the turbo. The turbo on this engine is designed to switch on very early, as low as 1000 rpm. The problem is when you pull away, the revs drop and the turbo stops spooling, the result is the car tries to stall and this counteracted by the anti-stall. The result is kangarooing.
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I understand the above. I also see below remark about kangarooing.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...ght-for-owners[list][*] Jabbafumi46 ē 7 months ago Hi all,
Today I drove for about 50km, all in city traffic and tried to mimic the Kangaroo effect. I tried hard and it kangarooed once, almost. In daily driving I don't think it's noticeable at all. If I tried this hard (this means once every half minute in almost a one hour drive), for me, personally, this isn't a problem at all.

Takeaway
This does not rob you of the driving experience. It's a fancy gearbox, get the longest warranty available on it.
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I suspect that the last few T-ROCs that are still unsold, will be given at a good lac or two discount, come end of the year. Interesting H2 2020.
I was checking with a VW Dealer, apparently 1500 Rocs were imported, of which 1000 plus are already book. 300 to 400 are still open to be sold. I think they will be bought after some test drives/owner experiences. Don't see a scope for discount, as I don't really think they had much margin to start with in the first place to play with due to taxes.
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A 2L TSi + 7 Speed DSG + CBU Quality T-ROC priced in the 17-20L Ex-Showroom bracket would surely make a strong case for itself
2L TSI + DSG == at least 29.99 lacs ex-showroom (like that of the Superb Sport) easily?
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I was checking with a VW Dealer, apparently 1500 Rocs were imported, of which 1000 plus are already book. 300 to 400 are still open to be sold. I think they will be bought after some test drives/owner experiences. Don't see a scope for discount, as I don't really think they had much margin to start with in the first place to play with due to taxes.
What happened to the "fully booked" statement from VW? Suddenly > 30% are available ! or Are they cancellations ?
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As per the earlier reports 1000 T-rocs were imported . I guess 1000 karoqs 300 Tiguan all space and 200 Octavia 245 RS add up to the 2500 limit across VAG cars
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Don't see a scope for discount, as I don't really think they had much margin to start with in the first place to play with due to taxes.
Don't buy without pushing for a discount. There's lots of places where they can cut their margins (insurance particularly) which they will due to low sales in the past few months. We got a substantial discount (for a brand new CBU) on our Karoq so I'm sure the VW dealer can offer something similar.

Feel free to DM if you want the breakup of our discount.
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What happened to the "fully booked" statement from VW? Suddenly > 30% are available ! or Are they cancellations ?
There were quite a few cancellations, bound to be; given the delay + interiors being disappointing + test drive car not being ready etc.
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As per the earlier reports 1000 T-rocs were imported . I guess 1000 karoqs 300 Tiguan all space and 200 Octavia 245 RS add up to the 2500 limit across VAG cars
Many of such models were imported and cleared before 31st March 2020 so those wonít count in this financial year.
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Test drove the VW T-Roc at the Gurgaon MG Road dealership last evening. It is quite a fun to drive car and looks really handsome. But the rear is cramped, the boot space is limited and the hard plastics, though great in terms of quality, are an absolute misfit in a 23 Lakh car. At this price, we expect interiors to have nice touch and feel to it.

I test drove the Karoq, Seltos DCT and T Roc back to back. T Roc is the most fun to drive, Karoq feels most premium of the lot but Seltos, at 6 Lakh less than the T Roc and a massive 12 Lakh less than the Karoq, is brilliant value for what it offers.

That said, the VAG cars will appeal to the enthusiasts in most of us. The Seltos is not too far behind though.

If I was in the market for an urban compact SUV, I would have considered the Karoq for its premium feel or else the Seltos for the overall VFM package, depending on how much Vitamin M I'm willing to spend. But at just 4 additional lakhs over the Karoq (I really hate to do this apple vs orange comparo), the Superb Sportline feels so much better, clearly a segment above it terms of space, comfort, ride quality, powertrain, features, interiors and overall premium yet sporty feel. The Superb is simply Superb !

I personally feel T Roc is a nice peppy and fun car to buy for someone who is not bothered about the lack of rear space and trunk volume.

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