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Old 16th August 2020, 19:32   #781
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Saw one T-Roc today, in orange shade.

It's not as bad looking as i20 Active or Brezza IMO both of which scream fake to me. In fact the raised suspension & dimensions are absolutely fine for a compact crossover in class. I only wish the price was sensible though (Creta-Seltos benchmark).

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Saw one T-Roc today, in orange shade.

It's not as bad looking as i20 Active or Brezza IMO both of which scream fake to me. In fact the raised suspension & dimensions are absolutely fine for a compact crossover in class. I only wish the price was sensible though (Creta-Seltos benchmark).
Price is very sensible IMO. The build quality, driving dynamics & performance Troc offers is definitely worth more than creta/seltos.
  • If space is the main concern, go with harrier/Hector/XUV 500.
  • If you want 4x4, go for Compass.
  • If you want value for money package, then nothing can beat creta/seltos.
  • While Troc has a niche audience (probably all VWs). Itís for the one who is looking for exclusivity, tank like build quality, Stable European ride and driving dynamics, great performance & handling.
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Price is very sensible IMO. The build quality, driving dynamics & performance Troc offers is definitely worth more than creta/seltos.
  • If space is the main concern, go with harrier/Hector/XUV 500.
  • If you want 4x4, go for Compass.
  • If you want value for money package, then nothing can beat creta/seltos.
  • While Troc has a niche audience (probably all VWs). It’s for the one who is looking for exclusivity, tank like build quality, Stable European ride and driving dynamics, great performance & handling.
The question is, how much worth of a compromise it is to buy the TROC when the Korean twins offer >90% performance at 80 % price, equal or better features, similar safety equipment, and slightly better cabin space. While the Harrier and Hector offer bigger space, and not sacrificing performance ( diesel) and being more rugged ( Harrier). I am considering the purchase of one do-it-all compact/midsizer . Not sure whether I love the T Roc for its build and performance engineering or worry about its 100% foreign origin , impacting spares and service in case of breakdown.
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The question is, how much worth of a compromise it is to buy the TROC when the Korean twins offer >90% performance at 80 % price, equal or better features, similar safety equipment, and slightly better cabin space. While the Harrier and Hector offer bigger space, and not sacrificing performance ( diesel) and being more rugged ( Harrier). I am considering the purchase of one do-it-all compact/midsizer . Not sure whether I love the T Roc for its build and performance engineering or worry about its 100% foreign origin , impacting spares and service in case of breakdown.
I have done side by side comparison of New Creta Vs Troc (both in white: so see the difference in paint quality also). I have mentioned pros and cons of both. Here is the link:
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...-lakhs-51.html (The Volkswagen T-Roc, now launched @ Rs 19.99 lakhs)
(See the difference in features which Troc has over Koreans. Troc features often gets neglected as they arenít as apparent as say air purifier, connected car tech, wireless charging, etc)

Also, itís not about specs on paper like 90% of performance at 80% price. 0-100 and top speeds are different thing but the actual experience includes many other things, not just these numbers on paper:
  • Trocí DSG is much faster & smoother (especially at lower speeds) than Koreanís DCT
  • Troc has much better driving dynamics & handling around the corner with no body roll at all (Creta canít even compare, seltos is a little better than creta, but itís also isnít close to Troc)
  • Steering feedback & breaking response is miles better in Troc and gives you confidence to push hard and not loose the control over your car
  • Build quality of Troc is way better than Koreans (you feel like sitting in a tank)
It might have some less Gizmos and stuff (which Koreans pack to the gills) but what matters more in a car are its mechanicalS. This is where Troc shines among even harrier/compass (also, 170bhp diesel of these cars have above 10 seconds 0-100 and they arenít even close to Troc in terms of performance, so only go for them for ruggedness and space if you want that).
Only when youíll drive both the cars side by side & back to back, youíll be able to appreciate why VW is worth the extra penny over the Koreans/Harrier/Compass. Itís More about the quality, actual drive experience & Tugging the heart strings (in case of the German), rather than making sense to the brain (like the Koreans does).
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My booked t-roc is ready for delivery itseems, and I'll be making the payment in a day or two, hence checked through an internal VW source, to validate if it is a good buy or not. I was told that even VW employees are also unable to get T-Roc apparently. There is a queue to grab any customer cancellations !
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My booked t-roc is ready for delivery itseems, and I'll be making the payment in a day or two, hence checked through an internal VW source, to validate if it is a good buy or not. I was told that even VW employees are also unable to get T-Roc apparently. There is a queue to grab any customer cancellations !
Apparently the situation is not the same in Pune as it is available depending on the colour variants with one of the dealers.
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. I was told that even VW employees are also unable to get T-Roc apparently. There is a queue to grab any customer cancellations !
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Apparently the situation is not the same in Pune as it is available depending on the colour variants with one of the dealers.
That's not the case here in Delhi as well. My Indium Grey T-Roc is here and ready for delivery, I just waiting for basic accessories like mud guards and floor mats to be fitted because even if the CBU is coming fully loaded, it's not loaded with necessities apparently. I am also getting VW original DSG Pedal caps, Draught Deflectors, and Rear Sunblinds as well.
So in Delhi, my nearest dealer is accepting booking for any colour for now but my SA told me they're quite near to closing the bookings now.
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Apparently the situation is not the same in Pune as it is available depending on the colour variants with one of the dealers.
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That's not the case here in Delhi as well. My Indium Grey T-Roc is here and ready for delivery, I just waiting for basic accessories like mud guards and floor mats to be fitted because even if the CBU is coming fully loaded, it's not loaded with necessities apparently. I am also getting VW original DSG Pedal caps, Draught Deflectors, and Rear Sunblinds as well.
So in Delhi, my nearest dealer is accepting booking for any colour for now but my SA told me they're quite near to closing the bookings now.
Thank you for the quick data points. Very helpful.

Let me go back to the source (senior leader at VWI). The source was quite effusive in praise for the car as well. In any case, I'll have to trust and just go ahead with payment and delivery. I feel I am paying a lot though :-)

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That's not the case here in Delhi as well. My Indium Grey T-Roc is here and ready for delivery, I just waiting for basic accessories like mud guards and floor mats to be fitted because even if the CBU is coming fully loaded, it's not loaded with necessities apparently. I am also getting VW original DSG Pedal caps, Draught Deflectors, and Rear Sunblinds as well.
So in Delhi, my nearest dealer is accepting booking for any colour for now but my SA told me they're quite near to closing the bookings now.
Could you please let me know the price list of the accessories that you are buying and also what was the lead time quoted?

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Finally took the decision to go ahead with the purchase of T-Roc. We brought the Ravenna Blue home on Friday.

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Impressions of initial drive of around 200 kms:

Good highway manners.
1. Comfortable, at least for the front passengers over long distances Kids were comfortable in the rear, cannot say about adults though, given upright seating position, legroom and headroom conditions.

2. Braking is very good.

3. Drive in S mode is good and not jerky like in Vento. In D mode, I see some hesitation in pickup, but its not bothering even for overtaking.

4. Lane assist worked well, much better than I had anticipated it to be.
However, in order to keep in lane in curves, it ends up doing some over steering and under steering. It can unnerve the vehicle in the next lane!! Also, it takes some time to bring the car back perfectly into the lane in such roads in no hurry there by not unsettling the passengers in their seats. When the highway road has some rough patches, the lane assist asks to take over steering. When the lane assist is active, the steering gets harder during this time. And only when any indicator is turned on (be it lane change or otherwise), the lane assist is disabled so that the car can change the lane easily. Its back on, once a new lane is taken. One can change the lane with some additional force without the indicator being turned on. Small adjustments are still possible within the lane. This is a feature one has to get used to.

5. Collision Warning shows up when the vehicle in front of you is close by, at higher speeds (I think above 60 kms, but not sure of figure).

Some muddy road trail:
As I had feared earlier and experienced some of it on our Bangalore roads, if one wants to crawl over rough patches this gearbox gets very jittery and will unnerve you on non-uniform power delivery. On a clear patch though its well behaved.

Sadly, it all started with a drama when we were ready to take off !
When I tried to start the car, it did not and the car had entered into some security mode indicating some key not matching (missed to take snapshot of the warning). My daughter had already entered the car before me and may be there was some intrusion detection . Then, we all just got out of the car. Locked the car. Unlocked it, and I could start the car.
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Finally took the decision to go ahead with the purchase of T-Roc. We brought the Ravenna Blue home on Friday.
Hey congratulations. This car looks ravishing in Blue.

So when this lane assist is on, driver doesn't have to touch the wheel at all, is it? Fancy!
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So when this lane assist is on, driver doesn't have to touch the wheel at all, is it? Fancy!
You have to keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times. If you don't, after a few seconds (depending on the threshold the manufacturer has set) the car will start hard braking automatically. Sometimes it will guide you to the side of the road even while doing so. So you must keep your hands on the wheel, every few seconds. The resistance in steering because of the lane assist can be unnerving for some. But its quite easy to get a grip of it.
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Hey congratulations. This car looks ravishing in Blue.

So when this lane assist is on, driver doesn't have to touch the wheel at all, is it? Fancy!
Thanks for the wishes. One can leave the steering, but I believe that's not the purpose of this feature. I think the main purpose is to prevent inadvertent lane change, may be due to fatigue or lack of concentration.
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Lane assist worked well, much better than I had anticipated it to be.
However, in order to keep in lane in curves, it ends up doing some over steering and under steering. It can unnerve the vehicle in the next lane!!
5. Collision Warning shows up when the vehicle in front of you is close by, at higher speeds (I think above 60 kms, but not sure of figure).
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If you don't, after a few seconds (depending on the threshold the manufacturer has set) the car will start hard braking automatically. Sometimes it will guide you to the side of the road even while doing so. The resistance in steering because of the lane assist can be unnerving for some.
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I think the main purpose is to prevent inadvertent lane change, may be due to fatigue or lack of concentration.
Have been following the lane assist feature discussions with interest across various vehicles. My personal take is that this is premature in India where there is a lack of scientifically drawn lanes even on many state highways. NHAI is a lot better of course. On my many trips across India, I personally have umpteen times noticed lanes haphazardly narrowing / widening / meandering, and worst of all disappearing directly into an obstacle like unscientific bus stops, roadside temples, auto stands etc.

IF even an expert owner-driver becomes even slightly complacent or there is a HW/SW malfunction, it can lead to a disastrous collision BECAUSE of the safety systems on these advanced cars. In the hands of a novice or a chauffeur, it can be deadly.

Other safety aids like automatic braking due to speed limit signage, manouevre-braking due to sensing of obstacles are great but India's road infrastructure needs to radically improve first. Remember the devastating HYD Volco accident where some 45 unfortunate souls lost their lives. While it was probably driver exhaustion and/or misjudging clearances, it was also caused by unscientific culvert design where the culvert walls protrude into the road instead of being flush with the median.

Don't get me wrong, I fully support the broader intent but just look at threads like:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techn...es-random.html (Dangerous Volvo XC90 Inscription : Radar-based safety aids apply brakes at random!)

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...cle5287797.ece

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Finally took the decision to go ahead with the purchase of T-Roc. We brought the Ravenna Blue home on Friday.

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Impressions of initial drive of around 200 kms:
That's a kick ass Blue colour, one I love on a 4/ 2 wheeler. Looks lovely! Wish you many years and kilometres of safe & fun driving + ownership.
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After a long wait, took delivery of this baby today! 100km driven already, drives like a charm. Will post initial impressions and more pictures soon.
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