[Carma2017]

I think Mr Raman is spot on. There are a lot of people like me who believe that there is no replacement for displacement. A turbo engine sounds cool on paper, but i have driven reputed engines like in Ecosport or in Polo and found them to be either noisy or overpriced or just not tractable enough. Maybe it's my style of driving that is not suited for these esteemed engines.

[longhorn]

In a SUV, you needs loads of torque at low rpms to get that thing moving. I'm not sure how a 1 litre turbo petrol which makes peak torque higher up the rev band can achieve this. I'm all for the 1.5 litre petrol. I'm glad they didn't shove the 1.2 litre motor into this for tax benefits.

[Leoshashi]

Originally Posted by longhorn

In a SUV, you needs loads of torque at low rpms to get that thing moving. I'm not sure how a 1 litre turbo petrol which makes peak torque higher up the rev band can achieve this. I'm all for the 1.5 litre petrol. I'm glad they didn't shove the 1.2 litre motor into this for tax benefits.

Well the 1.0 Turbo Petrol had a wide torque band(1,700-4,500rpm), 150Nm from as low as 1,700 RPM. Infact the 1.5NA petrol will need comparatively more revvs and also has a lower peak torque of just 138Nm, that too at a high 4400 RPM.

Regards,
Shashi

PS: Although these are on paper figures and the real world experience might be different, I'm still happy for the 1.5L they have chosen.

[adimicra]

Originally Posted by longhorn

In a SUV, you needs loads of torque at low rpms to get that thing moving. I'm not sure how a 1 litre turbo petrol which makes peak torque higher up the rev band can achieve this. I'm all for the 1.5 litre petrol. I'm glad they didn't shove the 1.2 litre motor into this for tax benefits.

This is incorrect, period. The real reason for the same is the cost and thought process.

Turbo petrols are the future - refinement and high-revving pleasure of petrol engines along with great low end torque. Obviously, it depends on the specific engine(s). Yes, those will be significantly expensive than the normal petrols but the pros outweigh the cons for me.

Some numbers for example -
Honda City 1.5 petrol develops 145Nm@4600rpm
Honda Civic 1.8 petrol develops 174Nm@4300rpm
Vento Polo 1.2 TSI develops 175 NM torque@1500 rpm.

So, which is better?
You can also check the performance numbers, particularly the in-gear acceleration numbers for the TSI are much better than the NA petrols.
The Kia Seltos positions the 1.4 turbo as the performance oriented variant and it still sells though priced at a premium to the 1.5 petrol and similar to the 1.5 diesel. The list goes on ..

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Whether Mr. Raman is right or wrong in his view about turbo petrols is debatable.

But - more of us can agree that the 1.5 petrol is a better choice in the Vitara Brezza than the 1.0 Turbo, which really didn't justify itself even in the Baleno RS. I didn't find the 1.5 lacking too much in the XL6. It has good driveability and decent refinement and suits the urban grind pretty well. Coupled to a manual gearbox - it feels good on the highways too. Hence hoping it would feel even better in the Brezza.

BUT - the AT would still mostly be the 4-speed TC box? So forget highway duties on the automatic.

[ani_meher]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

BUT - the AT would still mostly be the 4-speed TC box? So forget highway duties on the automatic.

Why? It has been doing duty in Ciaz/Ertiga/XL6 and even previously on Swift/Dzire/Ritz/Old ertiga & Ciaz. Why to forget highway duties?

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by ani_meher

Why? It has been doing duty in Ciaz/Ertiga/XL6 and even previously on Swift/Dzire/Ritz/Old ertiga & Ciaz. Why forget highway duties?

The three ratios (with a tall overdrive) is irritating on the highways. On the XL6, I saw it was shifting down to 3rd when overtaking from a solid 100kmph and above on highways. Not a smooth cruising experience in that way.

Would I take it for highway duties once in a while, whereas the primary use is for the city? Of course yes. Would I buy for highway use? No. Which was my point above.

PS: I do own a car with a four-speed torque converter, so I do understand your point, but even that is easier to live with, thanks to manual gear selection, which the MSIL automatics lack.

[volkman10]

Vitara Brezza Petrol Variant spied on test,




Link

[BoneCollector]

Can this be a reason for delay of petrol Brezza or will this lead to more delay?

Link (Maruti to recall Ertiga, Ciaz & XL6 mild-hybrid petrol variants)

Ideally, petrol Brezza should have been launched with the launch of the new 1.5L petrol in Ciaz and Ertiga.

The sales of Brezza will take a hit once the 1.3D is withdrawn and it is launched in Petrol avatar only. What we need to see is how good it sustains with a petrol only version. And time will tell if the momentum of diesel version continues with petrol version.

[volkman10]

Brezza bs6 Petrol ready for launch? Reaches dealerships!

The most striking change comes in the form of new headlamp detailing. This particular vehicle appears to be equipped with LED headlamps, replete with new DRLs. The Brezza facelift retains its chrome grille element while the bumper has been reprofiled to include larger and simpler fog light enclosures in addition to a new silver chin insert

Link

[BoneCollector]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Brezza bs6 Petrol ready for launch? Reaches dealerships!

This looks like a lower model as fog lamps are missing. But if this is a lower model, they'll have the turn indicators on ORVM. I hope MSIL has not gone the new Swift/ DZire/ Wagon R way by giving fog lamps only in top trims. The headlights appear to be dual barrel projectors. Looks interesting.

[2cents]

Originally Posted by BoneCollector

This looks like a lower model as fog lamps are missing. ..... The headlights appear to be dual barrel projectors.

That's curious, lower end trim with no fogs but projector headlamps. So looks like projectors will be standard --- is it a Triber effect?! I wish the chrome in the grille were a little more subtle.

[prram]

Maruti Suzuki Brezza facelift spied undisguised

https://www.rushlane.com/2020-maruti...-12346956.html

[RM Motorsports]

Now, new images of what seems to be the SUV's facelift have emerged online. The images show the Brezza in close-to-production form without camouflage, revealing styling tweaks that can now be expected on the production-spec version.

[NFS2024]

The design changes are very subtle and not much in the face which is always a good thing. How do we know that this is a dealership and not a factory? Just a thought.