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Old 19th April 2019, 22:03   #1
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Default Rumour: Renault HBC Compact SUV coming in 2020

According to a media report, Renault is planning to launch a new compact SUV (codenamed: HBC) in India sometime next year.

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Like the upcoming Triber, the HBC is expected to share its underpinnings with the Kwid. It is expected to be positioned between the Triber and Duster in Renault's line up.

In addition to the Triber and HBC, Renault is also working on facelift versions of the Kwid and Duster. These cars are likely to be launched later this year.

With two new products and two updates, Renault aims to double its annual sales volume in India to 1,50,000 units. The company is looking to achieve break-even as per their mid-term plan.

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I hope they've got a suitable powertrain option for these vehicles. IMO, 1.0 L petrol is a joke in this price point - Unless it's turbo charged and produces >90 HP.

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While these products may help Renault get back on track, I feel sad about Nissan who is yet to come up with something strong for their India line-up.

Hoping to see Nissan badge versions of the Renault MPV and the compact SUV.
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To truly differentiate the HBC from its competitor's, Renault needs to have a variant with a basic all wheel drive system and shorter 1st and 2nd gear ratios.

But from what some birdies say, it's very difficult to execute an AWD model on the KWID platform as it's not designed to take a rear drive output. Thus, incorporating an AWD would mean a change of rear floor, which will suck up huge amounts of money, with possibly low sales.

Our suggestion: why doesn't Renault incorporate some sort of a limited slip front differential? This will not cost a huge amount of money, but the dynamic capability of the car in slithery situations will definitely be better compared to a 2WD non-limited slip variant. Users in our hill stations will find it particularly useful.
And it'll provide Renault sales department with a genuine sales USP.

Fiat Europe , I believe, has a variant of the Panda, called the CityCross kitted out with a electronic limited slip differential in addition to the regular Panda AWD variant.

Maybe it's time Renault India gave a serious thought to this aspect. The Indian "cross hatch" / "pseudo SUV" market needs a genuine differentiator. Why not try Renault ?
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To truly differentiate the HBC from its competitor's, Renault needs to have a variant with a basic all wheel drive system and shorter 1st and 2nd gear ratios.

But from what some birdies say, it's very difficult to execute an AWD model on the KWID platform as it's not designed to take a rear drive output. Thus, incorporating an AWD would mean a change of rear floor, which will suck up huge amounts of money, with possibly low sales.

Our suggestion: why doesn't Renault incorporate some sort of a limited slip front differential? This will not cost a huge amount of money, but the dynamic capability of the car in slithery situations will definitely be better compared to a 2WD non-limited slip variant. Users in our hill stations will find it particularly useful.

And it'll provide Renault sales department with a genuine sales USP.

Fiat Europe , I believe, has a variant of the Panda, called the CityCross kitted out with a electronic limited slip differential in addition to the regular Panda AWD variant.

Maybe it's time Renault India gave a serious thought to this aspect. The Indian "cross hatch" / "pseudo SUV" market needs a genuine differentiator. Why not try Renault ?
I do not think incorporating AWD drive in any form is viable and neither relevant to this segment. Sub 4M SUVs are typically replacing C segment sedans.

Point being consumer is just going to be using it in the city with very occasional highway runs. Even Tata has given this a miss in the Harrier citing lack of demand. And Im sure the sales composition of AWD in something like a Jeep Compass too would be minuscule.

And Renault know what they need to do. A well built car, with basic safety equipment and some gimmicks like a large touch screen system. Also Renault has seen how the Duster did so well in its initial years, the ride and suspension suited our bad roads like no other. So if they manage to get this aspect right in the new compact SUV, then that could be a USP as well, since all other compact SUVs have more car like ride and suspension behaviours.

Renault could also provide AMT transmission in most variants, which could help its case since competition offers AT in limited options.

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Renault needs to get rid of its "cheap" mentality for its Indian cars. Even our two homegrown manufacturers are offering top-quality products now, but Renault is stuck with outdated cars (Duster) or outdated platforms (Captur). Won't complain about the Kwid as I think it's fair for the segment.

But it really worries me how Renault has quality cars worldwide, but just refuses to launch them here.

They have a new boss who is talking a lot about quality. Let's see.
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Renualt shares a bit more of its product plans.

HBC- CUV

- 1.0-litre, three-cylinder turbo petrol engine.will be available only in petrol.


MPV - TRIBER

- The Triber will initially be launched with just one engine option – the same 1-litre BR10 petrol motor but with a slight bump up in power

- A turbocharged version of the BR10 and an automatic option (most likely an AMT) will be added to the Triber range by mid-2020

- Expects to sell ~ 60000 units annually ( full year 2020)

Compact sedan (code: LBA)

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The LBA will also use an extended version of Renault’s CMF-A platform that debuted in the Kwid and come with similar powertrain options as in the HBC
2019 Duster:

Updated ( ?) for the first-gen Duster which is sold in India


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Renault Subcompact Crossover makes debut disguised as Clio.

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They depict a jacked up version of the previous generation Clio, which is used as a mule for the all-new vehicle. It is significantly raised than the hatchback and we assume it might offer an all-wheel drive as an option. Renault’s other small crossover, the Captur, is sold exclusively as an FWD model so adding an AWD vehicle for the more adventurous customers would make sense

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- Expects to sell ~ 60000 units annually ( full year 2020)
Wow! This might be the cynic in me, talking, but I say this is overtly ambitious. How do they intend to compete with Ertiga (Marazzo might be half-a-segment or full-segment above)? By just pricing it lower?

They'd really need to pull a rabbit out of the hat to realize ~5000 units/month. For that, they'll have to:

1. Arrange a sweet engine-transmission marriage and demonstrate engineering prowess
2. Load up features - safety-wise, utility-wise and gimmickry-wise
3. Offer excellent ride quality and driveability.

If they can pull it off, who is to stop them from succeeding.

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