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Old 8th March 2020, 23:27   #46
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Lambo is exempt from local homologation as it comes under the >3 litre rule in the DGFT policy exemption

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The whole point is VW didn't really need to get the Allspace variant of the Tiguan when sister brand Skoda was selling the Kodiaq.
VW and Skoda always had competing models rather than complementing.
Vento-Rapid
Jetta - Octavia

Now:
T-Roc - Karoq
T-Cross - Kamiq
Allspace - Kodiaq

Problem is, both brands have similar brand positioning as well. Even as a combined entity they do miss a 30+ plus SUV (Tuscon and Tiguan sized)
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Lambo is exempt from local homologation as it comes under the <3 litre rule in the DGFT policy exemption
I did not get this point, Ajmat. All the CBU's are exempt from local homologation.

Even the VRS245 doesn't need to be homologated since it's a CBU. Same for T-roc and Karoq as well.

This is the reason they got it as CBU, as cost of homologation vs the volume did not make sense for 200 cars.

In case of T-Roc and Karoq, the reason of CBU is only to get it faster to market. It will be CKD from next year. Doing a CKD with homologation would have pushed out the launch.
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Yes you completely missed the entire Audi and Lamborghini range which is part of 2500 as well.

My guess is:

900: T-Roc
700: Karoq
300: Allspace
200: VRS 245
400: Audi/Lambo
I am trying to do some math here. Assuming Allspace will be allotted 300 units & out of 300 at least 100 units will be test drive/demo vehicles. Why is VW spending so much on the marketing & promotions when end result is selling 200 units only.
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I am trying to do some math here. Assuming Allspace will be allotted 300 units & out of 300 at least 100 units will be test drive/demo vehicles. Why is VW spending so much on the marketing & promotions when end result is selling 200 units only.
100 demo units?

They probably don't even have so many dealers. They will keep at max 10-15 demo cars. 1-2 in each metro and 1 in all tier 2 cities. Nothing in small towns.
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I did not get this point, Ajmat. All the CBU's are exempt from local homologation.
Copying the DGFT Import conditions or rather the conditions for homologation exemption. And upto 2500 units of CBU have been permitted without homologation, in a year, for Car Manufacturers.


Import of new vehicles having an FOB value of US $ 40,000 or more and
engine capacity of more than 3000cc for petrol run vehicle and more than 2500cc for diesel run vehicles by (a) Individuals, (b) Companies and firms or (c) OEMs(Original Equipment Manufacturers- who have manufacturing and service network in India) will be exempt from the conditions at Sl. No. 2(II)(a)(iv) (be imported from the country of manufacture.) and 2(II)(c) above. However, at the time of Customs clearance, a Type Approval Certificate / COP of an international accredited agency from the country of origin or an EC Type Approval Certificate / Certificate of COP, of an accredited agency from any member state of EU, including a notarized English translation thereof, shall be furnished. This Type Approval shall stipulate that the vehicle to be imported complies with all the ECE Regulations for the complete vehicle. The accredited agencies have been notified vide Policy Circular No. 12 (RE-2013)/2009-14 dated 15/01/2014.

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I have a simple question- Will you buy a limited-quantity CBU car?

Given limited spares, low local knowledge of the car, high import cost of spares , would you buy the CBU as your daily commuter?
My question remains unanswered. Respectfully, would you buy a limited quantity CBU as your daily driver?
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Yeah but with this new 2500 CBU rule, the 3000cc rule is moot right? The 2500 units encompasses the smaller cars as well as supercars.

I don't think this means 2,500 CBU + supercars like Lamborghini which are above 3000cc.
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My question remains unanswered. Respectfully, would you buy a limited quantity CBU as your daily driver?
I don't see why not.

Common parts will be easily available during routine services, etc. as engines will be same as A6, Kodiaq, Superb, vRS etc.

The odd part however will require a wait - but I've had to wait for the same even on non-CBU cars and it is a trait of most European cars, and even some Asian companies.

The only issue I can see is with the AC and some electronic sensors throwing a fit because they aren't localised for our conditions (which again happens on the first few batches of any new premium european launch - inital Lauras, Superbs, audis, VWs, etc. have had issues in the past with these components) so I would pick up extended warranty (which I would recommend for any European purchase especially, even if non-CBU).

Doesnt help that these cars will sell similar 80-100 units they would sell even if they were launched in non-CBU form.

PS: the fortuner aside, I expect Tucson, CRV, Kodiaq, Endy parts to also not always be readily available barring routine service parts because of limited units they sell. Some brands like Hyundai may have a quicker turnaround time though.
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Today morning I received a call from the local vw dealer. He said about 800 units of T-Roc will be imported and about 67 cars have been allocated to this particular VW dealer who are operational in about 10 cities in my state. He further said 62 cars out of the 67 have already been booked and I need to book immediately to avoid any disappointments.
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Yeah but with this new 2500 CBU rule, the 3000cc rule is moot right? The 2500 units encompasses the smaller cars as well as supercars.

I don't think this means 2,500 CBU + supercars like Lamborghini which are above 3000cc.
No, the 2500 units are the smaller cars which would require homologation. The Lambo requires nothing except for warning bells when going over 120 km/h
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No, the 2500 units are the smaller cars which would require homologation. The Lambo requires nothing except for warning bells when going over 120 km/h
Really? The VRS245 went through homologation?

I was told that the CBU cars under 2500 quote don't need homologation allowing them to get the cars with Euro6 emission norms rather than go through the ARAI certification and homologation.

Since they meet higher than India EU norms they just need a type approval rather than full homologation.
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Really? The VRS245 went through homologation?

I was told that the CBU cars under 2500 quote don't need homologation allowing them to get the cars with Euro6 emission norms rather than go through the ARAI certification and homologation.

Since they meet higher than India EU norms they just need a type approval rather than full homologation.
Let me rephrase - they would normally need to go through homologation but the 2500 quota means they are exempt
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Let me rephrase - they would normally need to go through homologation but the 2500 quota means they are exempt
Thanks. So the original question. Does the 2500 include Lamborghini or is Lamborghini on top of the 2500 quota?

The 2500 quota is only for less than 3000cc engines?
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The 2500 quota is only for less than 3000cc engines?
Correct - please see RiteshRitesh's post below

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Import of new vehicles having an FOB value of US $ 40,000 or more and
engine capacity of more than 3000cc for petrol run vehicle and more than 2500cc for diesel run vehicles by (a) Individuals, (b) Companies and firms or (c) OEMs(Original Equipment Manufacturers- who have manufacturing and service network in India) will be exempt from the conditions at Sl. No. 2(II)(a)(iv) (be imported from the country of manufacture.) and 2(II)(c) above. However, at the time of Customs clearance, a Type Approval Certificate / COP of an international accredited agency from the country of origin or an EC Type Approval Certificate / Certificate of COP, of an accredited agency from any member state of EU, including a notarized English translation thereof, shall be furnished. This Type Approval shall stipulate that the vehicle to be imported complies with all the ECE Regulations for the complete vehicle. The accredited agencies have been notified vide Policy Circular No. 12 (RE-2013)/2009-14 dated 15/01/2014.
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