[anjan_c2007]

Friends, the gazette notification from The Ministry of Road Transport and Highways is out dated 24.07.2019. Objections and suggestions are invited for a period of one month from the date of issue of this notification.

Please do send representations venting out your feelings to jspb-morth@gov.in followed by a hard copy of the representation by Registered/ Speed Post , A/D to The Joint Secretary (MVL) , Ministry of Road Transport and Highways, Transport Bhawan, Parliament Street, New Delhi-110 001.

If numerous representations are received opposing the re-registration fee hike from Rs 600=00 to Rs 15,000 for cars and Rs 50 to Rs 600=00 for two wheelers, maybe they are forced to react and retract. Hoping for the best !

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[1.2TSI7DSG]

I am ok with the move along with a one country one tax regime.
The increase is irrelevant if I don't have to pay tax every where I move

[Slick]

This is not good news, bad timing.

The auto industry is struggling, it employs 7-12 million people directly/indirectly, this would be the last thing to do now. May be next year or once the auto market recovers a bit.

What is the purpose really ?

Is this to discourage old vehicles
OR
to generate funds
OR
to encourage new car sales?


1. If they are trying to get rid of old cars then we rather work on improving the fitness measurement pr,ocesses, that would lead to bad examples being weeded out.

2. If we are trying to generate funds then how much more ?
We are already paying huge margins on fuel.

3. Why, a person who is holding on to a 15 year old car, would buy a new one is beyond me, May be a few exceptions but the rule would not be in favor of new car sales.

All I see this achieving are some old cars being reduced from the road, some people who are barely managing ownership also barely using will have to get rid of their cars.
I also see used car prices crashing because of this.

- Slick

[anjan_c2007]

And now the SIAM criticises the unjust hike in registration charges for new motor vehicles by 10 to 20 times. It says "currently, the automobile industry is going through an unprecedented downturn as sales of new vehicles have plummeted significantly over the last several months. Rajan Wadhera, President, SIAM said, Such increase in the Registration Charges of new vehicles would further aggravate the market condition negatively.”

https://auto.economictimes.indiatime...-siam/70467078

[stanjohn123]

Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

Please do send representations venting out your feelings to jspb-morth@gov.in followed by a hard copy of the representation by Registered/ Speed Post , A/D to The Joint Secretary (MVL) , Ministry of Road Transport and Highways, Transport Bhawan, Parliament Street, New Delhi-110 001.

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This is actually a very good idea. It would be better if someone could pen one letter and we could all sign it or enter it on something like change.org and get everyone's digital signatures and forward to the concerned authority.

[anjan_c2007]

Originally Posted by stanjohn123

This is actually a very good idea. It would be better if someone could pen one letter and we could all sign it or enter it on something like change.org and get everyone's digital signatures and forward to the concerned authority.

Thanks for your pursuance of the matter. We have time for one month w.e.f. 24.07.2019 to represent to the Ministry (MoRTH) that has issued the notification.

I would suggest each individual and/or office bearer of automobile/ vintage car associations to send an e-mail to

jspb-morth@gov.in

Please also follow up with a signed, hard copy to be sent by Registered Post (A/D) as mails are uncertain entities at times. The address is:-

Joint Secretary (MVL)
Ministry of Road Transport and Highways,
Transport Bhavan,
1, Parliament Street,
New Delhi 110 001

The office bearers of automobile / vintage car associations (including me, I have already sent) can send two representations - one as an individual and the other as the Secretary/ President).

I have prepared a model draft. Friends can edit/correct/add as per their requirements as the final letter will go in their respective names. The draft is as follows:-

Sir,

The notification by your Union Ministry of Road Transport and Highways no. GSR 523(E) of 24.07.2019, proposing hikes in re-registration/ fitness charges for 15 year or older motor vehicles is draconian & will badly hurt the economically weaker, retired, self employed, daily wagers & automobile enthusiasts alike. The notification is aimed at wiping out the older automobiles from the map, which a poor India can ill-afford.

It will also result in greater non-compliance by thousands of such vehicle owners. The non- compliance rate is already alarming.

It is also crippling for vintages and classics, which include motor vehicles 50 years or older, as defined in the NGT Principal Bench Delhi, judgment, of December 2017. These are rarely used and on an average are on the road once or twice every month.

Such vehicles need to be preserved for posterity for future generations. As such, it can be observed that ten of thousands of members of the public witness the grand spectacle viz Vintage Car Rallies, held annually in many cities and metros and feel joyous seeing history on wheels, on the move.
Any irrational, unjust and disproportionate tax hike on such vehicles may discourage owners and result in their step by step annihilation from the country. Vintage and classic automobile owners are already a harried lot, with the tax burdens and non-availiability of spares and without any support whatsoever, from the government.

Internationally, most developed countries follow user-friendly motor vehicle provisions for such vintages and classics, encouraging their ownership by aficionados. The United Kingdom has abolished MoT tests (fitness tests) for motor vehicles older than 1960, more than a year back. We are adapting the best global practices in many spheres and need to do so for vintages and classics too. Any irrational and avoidable tax hike in respect of these classes of motor vehicles will be retrograde and will deal a blow to the existing, meagre numbers of such vehicles.

The ownership of older vintages and classics vehicles with enthusiasts are in the thousands, who are doing their best possible, wholeheartedly and are keen to preserve their family vehicle in many cases, which has been with the family since ages. These have been certified as non - polluting as per mandatory tests and have been issued fitness certificate/s every five years by the Transport Department, paying nominal amounts. Any irrational, unjust and unwarranted hike will totally jeopardise ownership of the family heirloom, which is not in consonance with the family's sentiments and unlimited love for the old vehicle, spanning through several generations.

The proposed hike for older private cars is from the existing Rs 600 to Rs 15,000 and for two wheelers, it is hiked to Rs 2000 from the existing Rs 50. The total number of cars and two wheelers falling in the vintage and classic category may be a few thousands in the country and such hikes will not generate any sizeable revenue of any kind for the government.

With the older motor vehicles aged 15 plus getting off the roads, as is the objective of such a notification, tens of thousands of garages that earn by repairing old automobiles will shut down. And this will entail job losses to the tune of lakhs of workers, who are employed in such garages. In a poor country like India, such drastic and short-sighted measures have been time tested as proven failures.

Ancillary industries mostly the Medium and Small Scale Enterprises (MSME's) and original equipment (OE) spares makers, who manufacture and supply such spares will face slowdowns and closures again resulting in job layoffs for lakhs of workers throughout the country. Many wholesalers and retail shops will also face similar slowdown and closures, if the older automobiles go off the roads.

We hope that the you will roll back the decision in interest of the several categories of old car and two wheeler owners and entities who are collectively associated with keeping these fit through supply of spares and repairing these in workshops.

Yours faithfully,


( Name and address )

Dated 02/08/2019

To
The Joint Secretary (MVL)
Ministry of Road Transport and Highways,
Transport Bhavan,
New Delhi 110 001

[stanjohn123]

Thanks for the draft letter. I have sent an email now.

[fordday]

Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

Thanks for your pursuance of the matter. We have time for one month w.e.f. 24.07.2019 to represent to the Ministry (MoRTH) that has issued the notification.

Thanks for the draft.

A humble suggestion to all who plan to send it.

Please make some changes to it, at least in the opening paragraphs. This will make your representation look like original and sincere. Otherwise if all are exact copies of the original, it might make them throw it away or even blame us for impersonation.

[fordday]

Circulating one more slightly modified draft letter below to help our fellow members.




To
The Joint Secretary (MVL)
Ministry of Road Transport and Highways,
Transport Bhawan,
New Delhi 110 001 Dated 15/08/2019

Sir,

With reference to the notification by your Union Ministry of Road Transport and Highways no. GSR 523(E) dated 24-07-2019, proposing hikes in re-registration/ fitness charges for 15 year or older motor vehicles, I wish to present my comments and objections.

The proposed increase in re-registration/ fitness charges for 15 year or older motor vehicles (hereinafter referred as The Proposal) is draconian & will hit the middle class and economically weaker sections very hard. The notification is aimed at wiping out the older automobiles from the map.

A properly maintained more than 15 year old vehicle is no more polluting than a less aged vehicle. The government should aim for strict implementation of its pollution check and fitness test methods. It is seen that these checks and methods are not at all adhered to by the Govt agencies. Taking undue advantage of this by a section of the people they run their vehicles unfit for public roads and pose danger to all road users and health hazard to everyone.

It is not very clear who benefits from The Proposal. Govt will get only a little by way of enhanced registration charges. Most of the money will go to the Automobile manufacturers because people will be forced to buy new cars.
The common man, whose interest should be foremost while framing govt policies, does not benefit at all. In fact he loses much more. He will be forced to sell his old car at a much-reduced prices and buy a new car. One more new car will only add to more pollution and chaos to the already congested roads.
The Proposal will also result in greater non-compliance by thousands of such vehicle owners. The non- compliance rate is already alarming.

The Proposal is also crippling for vintages and classics, which include motor vehicles 50 years or older, as defined in the NGT Principal Bench Delhi, judgment, of December 2017. These are rarely used and on an average are on the road once or twice every month.
Such vehicles need to be preserved for posterity for future generations. As such, it can be observed that ten of thousands of members of the public witness the grand spectacle viz Vintage Car Rallies, held annually in many cities and metros and feel joyous seeing history on wheels, on the move.

Any irrational, unjust and disproportionate tax hike on such vehicles may discourage owners and result in their step by step annihilation from the country. Vintage and classic automobile owners are already a harried lot, with the tax burdens and non-availability of spares and without any support whatsoever, from the government.

Internationally, most developed countries follow user-friendly motor vehicle provisions for such vintages and classics, encouraging their ownership by aficionados. The United Kingdom has abolished MoT tests (fitness tests) for motor vehicles older than 1960, more than a year back. We are adapting the best global practices in many spheres and need to do so for vintages and classics too. Any irrational and avoidable tax hike in respect of these classes of motor vehicles will be retrograde and will deal a blow to the existing, meagre numbers of such vehicles.

The ownership of older vintages and classics vehicles with enthusiasts are in the thousands, who are doing their best possible, wholeheartedly and are keen to preserve their family vehicle in many cases, which has been with the family since ages. These have been certified as non - polluting as per mandatory tests and have been issued fitness certificate/s every five years by the Transport Department, paying nominal amounts. Any irrational, unjust and unwarranted hike will totally jeopardize ownership of the family heirloom, which is not in consonance with the family's sentiments and unlimited love for the old vehicle, spanning through several generations.

The Proposal is for older private cars is from the existing Rs. 600 to Rs. 15,000 and for two wheelers, it is hiked to Rs. 2000 from the existing Rs 50. The total number of cars and two wheelers falling in the vintage and classic category may be a few thousands in the country and such hikes will not generate any sizeable revenue of any kind for the government. It will only act as another harassment for those who own a well maintained more than 15 year old vehicle.

With the older motor vehicles aged 15 plus getting off the roads, as is the objective of such a notification, tens of thousands of garages that earn by repairing old automobiles will shut down. And this will entail job losses to the tune of lakhs of workers, who are employed in such garages. In a poor country like India, such drastic and short-sighted measures have been time tested as proven failures.

Ancillary industries mostly the Medium and Small Scale Enterprises (MSME's) and original equipment (OE) spares makers, who manufacture and supply such spares will face slowdowns and closures again resulting in job layoffs for lakhs of workers throughout the country. Many wholesalers and retail shops will also face similar slowdown and closures, if the older automobiles go off the roads.

I would like to argue that buying a new car should be heavily taxed so that people are dissuaded from adding automobiles to the congestion and pollution. A 100 time increase in new car registration charges should makes sense.
I would also like to point out that Govt should put all its weight in strict enforcement of Pollution checks and Fitness test for older vehicles. This will weed out the unfit vehicles and force the owners to take anti pollution measures. Commercial vehicles who owns a major share in the category of polluting and unfit vehicles should be dealt with severely.
In this way Govt will achieve the National Green Tribunal objective of reducing pollution from older vehicles.

In the end my request is to roll back The Proposal in interest of vehicle owners and entities who are collectively associated with keeping these fit through supply of spares and repairing these in workshops.

Yours faithfully,

( Name and address )

[anjan_c2007]

Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

Thanks for your pursuance of the matter. We have time for one month w.e.f. 24.07.2019 to represent to the Ministry (MoRTH) that has issued the notification.

I would suggest each individual and/or office bearer of automobile/ vintage car associations to send an e-mail to

jspb-morth@gov.in

Please also follow up with a signed, hard copy to be sent by Registered Post (A/D) as mails are uncertain entities at times. The address is:-

Joint Secretary (MVL)
Ministry of Road Transport and Highways,
Transport Bhavan,
1, Parliament Street,
New Delhi 110 001

The office bearers of automobile / vintage car associations (including me, I have already sent) can send two representations - one as an individual and the other as the Secretary/ President).

I have prepared a model draft. Friends can edit/correct/add as per their requirements as the final letter will go in their respective names. The draft is as follows:-

Friends, today is 16/08/2019. We have time till 23/08/2019 for the representations to reach the appropriate authority. Hence, do please send your representation/s both by email and also by speed post AD.

The more the better to strengthen our cause.

[volkman10]

Car registration fee hike put on hold.



A draft notification issued last month proposed to increase the registration charges for new internal combustion engine.

The transport ministry will take a final decision after the one-month period for stakeholders’ comments ends on August 26. “The charges are not likely to be finalised before two months’ time,” as long as the government doesn’t notify the new rates, the old ones will prevail.

Link

[Gansan]

The auto industry also seeks a ban on vehicles older than 15 years. That is hardly justified.

I am a recently retired person having a ten year old car. I hope to do one FC renewal in 2024 and use it for five more years. Beyond that I will be nudging 70 and may or may not drive.

If they ban cars older than 15 years, I will sell off my car now when it still has five years of FC left. But there is no way I will buy a new car, I will simply switch to Uber/Ola. Most others in the same boat will do likewise.

[TorqueKnight]

Originally Posted by Gansan

The auto industry also seeks a ban on vehicles older than 15 years. That is hardly justified.

Auto Industry seeking ban on 15 year or more old vehicles will be suicidal to the industry.
1. Most of the Indian car buyers are first time car buyers with middle to middle upper class background. And we are price sensitive. People think 100 times before spending on a depreciating asset that has a lifespan of only 15 years
2. Apart from few entry level cars, most 'B' segment cars are retailing at millions rupees and above (OTR). Who want to spend million rupees on a car which has no returns after 15 years?
3. The resale value of the cars will be affected due to 15 year old ban. My friends who owned figo already sold their vehicles for peanuts but a policy like this will make those cars literally orphan.
4. Not only the new car industry but also the second hand sales car market will be huge hit due to the policy change.
5. OLA and Uber may rule the country forever.
6. Subscription model has a scope in future due to this policy change.

All I can say is "Auto Industry is digging their own grave". My personal opinion is I won't buy a car hereafter if such a policy comes in to effect.

[Sherlocked]

Some announcements have been made by the Finance minister to boost the falling auto sector. One of them being that the revision in one time registration fees has been deferred till June 2020.
But its not clear whether the proposed hike in renewel of registration has also been deferred or not.

[iMASKARAN]

This is what the Telegraph says today, This translates to all BSIV vehicles living their lifetime of 15 years...


The automobile industry, which has been convulsed by the economic slowdown and saw sales tumble to a 19-year low in July, has been granted the benefit of an additional 15 per cent depreciation that will be available on all vehicles bought till March next year.

The new 30 per cent depreciation rate is expected to bring down the inventory pileup at dealerships that had forced the industry to pare production and axe jobs. The government also said the old BS-IV vehicles purchased during this period would be allowed to operate the full period of their registration, which is usually 15 years.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india..._home-template