[subhasis]

I'm in a predicament about whether to go for PPF, ceramic coating, or simply leave the car as it is, taking good care with regular washing, covering, and periodic detailing. I managed to keep my last car in pristine condition for 15 years, though a lot of that came down to luck as well.
Tomorrow, I’m scheduled for delivery, and the SA suggested going with Esperto. However, I’ve personally had a good experience with 3M Whitefield—they did a great job on my Enfield’s detailing. I spoke to both of them, and now I’m feeling quite torn. This involves a significant amount of money, and I'm unsure if it’s really necessary.
3M Whitefield suggested a hybrid approach: full ceramic coating with PPF on high-impact areas like the bonnet, front, back, and fenders.
There's another option directly from Honda: Ultra Body Coating, which costs around ₹29,000. Is it worth exploring? Has anyone tried it?
Could you please share any suggestions or advice? Thanks.

[thaithdriver]

Originally Posted by shubham322000

I've attached a list of what all is covered with the normal extended yearly warranty that Honda provides. I feel it is an extensive list and covers majorly everything.

I saw that suspension and steering includes hub assembly. I may not be thinking about the right part but I just paid ASS for hub assembly replacement (for no reason since the part didn't warrant a change, however thats a separate conversation), the part that connects axel to wheel for frictionless movement.

[INDIAFIRST]

Honda City is consistently trailing Verna & the VW Twins (Virtus & Slavia) in monthly sales. This was once the segment benchmark.

While lack of a turbo engine with peppier response may be a gap in the portfolio, do yu think Honda would benefit from bringing an RS model? I saw few comments to this effect on the September '24 Monthly Sales page of TBHP.

Question is would it make financial sense? There would be capex for retooling and sourcing the new engine. Question is would the projections be enough?

[rajivr1612]

Team, is it possible to retrofit the rear sunshade of ZX variant to V variant? I could not find the part online.
Anyone here tried?

[TheHondaLover]

2025 Honda City facelift launched in Brazil.


With a minor cosmetic changes to the front and added equipment list, the car goes on sale with a more expensive price tag.

If history teaches us anything about Honda City launches, this exact car is going to get a sunroof and will be launched in India next year.


For a person who was eagerly waiting for the launch, I'm very disappointed. My disappointment is immense and my day is ruined. In the name of a facelift, you give it a botched up Volkswagen Passat R-Line front with almost little to no unique selling proposition to pair it with.

It gets an Electronic parking brake on the top model, something which could set it apart from it's competitors, but it's only a matter of time the germans and koreans catch up.

It's the same naturally-aspirated engine, the dimensions have not changed on a car I believe looks awkward with it's overtly slim tyres and disproportionately sleek body.

The points I've mentioned could very well be personal animosities, since the equipment list does make it an attractive choice over others in similar price range.

I expected more. Check out the Brazilian's response to the car in comment section of a review video. (To those who can't read Hindi- It's overpriced and the competition fairs well)

This is a sad day. I was hoping for a poor man's accord, and all I got is another cosmetic change.

The comments section.

Originally Posted by INDIAFIRST

Honda City is consistently trailing Verna & the VW Twins (Virtus & Slavia) in monthly sales. This was once the segment benchmark.

While lack of a turbo engine with peppier response may be a gap in the portfolio, do yu think Honda would benefit from bringing an RS model? I saw few comments to this effect on the September '24 Monthly Sales page of TBHP.

Question is would it make financial sense? There would be capex for retooling and sourcing the new engine. Question is would the projections be enough?

Consider one thing. All the demands for the Honda City RS to be launched in India, we need to understand what the market dictates.

The verna 1.5, one good turbo engine, is an expensive car, and rarely have I ever seen one on the roads. I see a couple of them once every few weeks, that's it. At that price point, customers either settle for a creta or look towards XUV 700 or Scorpio N.

Assuming Honda does brings a Honda RS to India, it will have to deal with taxes and importing costs which would significantly increase the price of the vehicle. If Honda City Hybrid sells at 22-24 lakhs ONR, imagine how much an imported Turbo petrol will. I often equate an imported Honda RS and Verna 1.5 Turbo - Rare and expensive for it's size.

This is particularly precarious in a market where sedans are diminishing day by day, with the existing competitors having a hard time maintaining numbers (except the germans who more or less are stable and happy)

What do you think?

[INDIAFIRST]

Originally Posted by TheHondaLover

(What do you think?)

Absolutely. Unless there is business sense, no point incurring cost.

This, however triggered a thought- will a turbo boost Elevate nos? This CSUV is better than the current monthly 2K sales. Right product 5 years late!

I must say though the 2025 Brazil City looks elegantly understated- better than Indias 5th gen.

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[saket77]

Originally Posted by TheWall

Hi All,

I have a question for Petrol MT owners.

Whenever I cross a speed breaker in 2nd gear, and try to press the accelerator, for a second or two there is no response from the engine. I have to let go of the pedal and press it again to accelerate again?
Has anyone else faced this? Is this behavior normal? Or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Latheesh

I have MT and annoyed with the momentary loss of power in second gear. .

Have you guys found any solution to this issue? Has it improved with more kms on the odo or still the same?

[Venkatr]

Recently completed Bengaluru (Kr Puram) - Kancheepuram Trip and Back. Took the Kolar-Chittor route while going, not knowing that it will lead me to a narrow patch at bommasamudram railway crossing. Had a heart stopping 10 min drive of my life navigating that tiny patch with vehicles coming in opposite direction too (see the attached image)
Thanks to fellow bhpians, took the vellore-katpadi-chittor route on the way back
Statistics:
Car : Honda City Zx CVT 5th Gen
Fully loaded with 5 adults and full boot
Mileage : 17.7 kmpl (tank full) with manual + Mid cross verified
Fuel : IndianOil XP95 (Great pickup, smooth engine op)
Speed : 90-95 kmph for 80% of the highway drive
Advice : Bommasamudram work might take a year to get done, till then Chittor-katpadi-vellore is a much better option with neat roads (mind the traffic at vellore,katpadi towns)

[Arun_S]

Is anyone facing the below issue, if you drive in rain, due to water splashing, mud is getting accumulated behind the fuel door?

Any suggestions to avoid it from happening?

[Latheesh]

Originally Posted by saket77

Have you guys found any solution to this issue? Has it improved with more kms on the odo or still the same?

I did check this over a period of time and noticed that it had to do with RPM. I was letting the RPM drop below 800. Adjusted my driving style a bit and don't face this issue now.

Originally Posted by Arun_S

Is anyone facing the below issue, if you drive in rain, due to water splashing, mud is getting accumulated behind the fuel door?

Any suggestions to avoid it from happening?

I don't think we have a solution for this other than cleaning the area during your regular car wash cycle.

[saket77]

Originally Posted by Latheesh

I did check this over a period of time and noticed that it had to do with RPM. I was letting the RPM drop below 800. Adjusted my driving style a bit and don't face this issue now.

Same here but since I have to keep adjusting my driving style to 3 cars, I am yet to adapt this for the City. Unfortunately, this issue has been either brushed under the carpet or overlooked by all the reviewers who mostly focus on the fun factor of the engine. Yes, the City has a free revving engine which one enjoys ripping on a free way but for 90% of the driving which happens in the City traffic; the lag in second gear acceleration is definitely annoying.

Have you or anyone here tried higher octane fuel? I only use the regular fuel given that it is RON91 which is the minimum recommended octane rating. Any change in the driving characteristics of the engine with higher RON petrol?

Thanks.

[brohuhu]

Hi all. New here and I would like to thank you all for this very informative thread. My father is planning to get a sedan, and we have booked both Verna SX(O) IVT and Honda City ZX CVT for now. We both love the comfort and design of the City as compared to the Verna and after a lot researching online, are planning to get the City. Since we already have a tiny Tiago for short city drives, we would usually only use the City for long trips or special occasions. Would like to get some doubts cleared before confirming with our SA

1. Should we upsize the tyres to 195/55/R16? Our usage would not be that high and my father is usually a sedate driver. Are there any issues with the stock tyres?

2. How is the CVT during hilly drives? We occasionally go for trips to Munnar during winters and I am curious how the CVT handles the hairpins and the decline. Anything to look out for and tips would be appreciated.

3. Is 19.5 L (on road, Kochi) a decent price for the City ZX CVT Obsidian Blue? Price includes 5 year warranty, basic kit and other insurance and tax.

4. Main reason my dad prefers the City over the Verna is the comfortable seats and I would like to know if it is easy to maintain and if the seats remain comfortable even after a few years.

5. Is it necessary to do ceramic coating? Heard the paint quality is a bit poor in the City.

6. How well does the wireless android auto work? Is it usable? (The Tiago's system is very slow and sometimes unusable) How smooth is the connected tech and the infotainment system in general?

7. This thread mentions a lot of rattles and other noises in the interior. I would like to know if it is a common thing to see. During my TD I found more rattles in the Verna albeit it has run 10k kms more than the City I drove.

8. Any tips to reduce the NVH levels other than sound dampening the doors? Will thick 7D mats, underbody coating help reduce it a bit?


Apologies for the numerous questions. My father has stretched the budget from 12L to 20L with some difficulty, so I want to make sure he gets the best car suited for his needs at that price. Once again thank you for this thread.

[sreerknair]

Originally Posted by brohuhu

1. Should we upsize the tyres to 195/55/R16? Our usage would not be that high and my father is usually a sedate driver. Are there any issues with the stock tyres?

2. How is the CVT during hilly drives? We occasionally go for trips to Munnar during winters and I am curious how the CVT handles the hairpins and the decline. Anything to look out for and tips would be appreciated.

3. Is 19.5 L (on road, Kochi) a decent price for the City ZX CVT Obsidian Blue? Price includes 5 year warranty, basic kit and other insurance and tax.

4. Main reason my dad prefers the City over the Verna is the comfortable seats and I would like to know if it is easy to maintain and if the seats remain comfortable even after a few years.

5. Is it necessary to do ceramic coating? Heard the paint quality is a bit poor in the City.

6. How well does the wireless android auto work? Is it usable? (The Tiago's system is very slow and sometimes unusable) How smooth is the connected tech and the infotainment system in general?

7. This thread mentions a lot of rattles and other noises in the interior. I would like to know if it is a common thing to see. During my TD I found more rattles in the Verna albeit it has run 10k kms more than the City I drove.

8. Any tips to reduce the NVH levels other than sound dampening the doors? Will thick 7D mats, underbody coating help reduce it a bit?

1. I am from Kerala, and drives a 2021 model ZX CVT still with stock tyres and ODO at 31K. I find it satisfactory for the speed (max 80 to 85 KMPH) and driving style (very sedate) I have. If your father frequently drives beyond, say 80 KMPH, he may upgrade the tyres. But honestly there are not many roads in Kerala where one can consistently drive at higher speeds. Added bonus with stock tyre size is you will get better FE.

2. CVT works fine even in hills. I have taken it multiple times to Munnar, Sabarimala, Nelliyampathy etc. Only thing to watch out for is, while going downhill, we might have to use paddle shifters (either in sports mode or in regular D mode) to maintain engine braking and avoid extended use of brake and thus overheating of brakes. I usually shift to Sports mode, and drive in M2 or M3. One negative aspect is - there will be high engine noise in the cabin, and we may feel the car is too stressed even when the RPM is at 3K or so.

3. 19.5L doesn't seem right. Carwale on-road price is 19.74L in Kochi, and Honda website shows more than 1L of discounts for ZX variant. You may not be eligible for some of it (like exchange bonus, Loyalty bonus etc) but usually the cash discount itself is substantial in case of Honda. You can get the quote from another dealer in Kochi to reconfirm. Avoid the basic kit. You can get similar items for lower price and better quality in Amazon.

4. In my case, the seats are the way it was when new even after 3 years. But it may sink a bit after several years. Regarding maintenance, keep a good quality leather cleaner in trunk and use whenever something is spilled. Other than that it doesn't need any other maintenance. Most of the time the seats gets stained when color transfers from our own trousers and dress. Again use the leather cleaner once in 6 months or so.

5. Paint is too soft and thin. Even small twigs will cause scratches. I haven't done any ceramic coating but I have a Jazz in family which is ceramic coated from Honda dealership while purchasing. It maintained the gloss for many years. Honda charges some 29K for this, and if you are too particular on keeping the gloss with minimal efforts, then this can be explored. If not, regular wash and Sonax BSD or Collinite 845 will keep it as good as a ceramic coated one.

6. My model doesn't have wireless AA. So can't comment on that. Infotainment system is functional, that is it. No fancy stuff in it. Keep the brightness and contract high for visibility during sunny days. Connected tech works almost all the time. I use it mainly for cooling the cabin while parked in sun or to open doors when I don't have the key.

7. There are some annoying noises at times. In my case, the driver side seat belt buckle makes a squealing noise very frequently now. It is a known issue for Honda globally and I need to address it in next service. But overall it is not a rattling toy yet.

8. I think music at 14 or 16 level is the way to go. I will move to a softer tyre while replacing the stock ones. I think that is all we can do. Another bhpian @Latheesh had mentioned that damping the doors did not reduce the NVH. So keep your expectations low on that.

And by the way - your father is lucky to have a car loving son who cares for his dad's car, and you are lucky to have a sedan loving father. Congratulations on the new car, and wishing you happy miles ahead.

[brohuhu]

Thanks a lot for taking your time for these well depth answers. Our SA said he can reduce it more as we have got a lower quote for the Verna so hope to negotiate it down more. Once again thank you for your reply

[saket77]

Originally Posted by brohuhu

1. Should we upsize the tyres to 195/55/R16? Our usage would not be that high and my father is usually a sedate driver. Are there any issues with the stock tyres?

For sedate driving, 185 will be just fine and will deliver slightly better FE.

2. How is the CVT during hilly drives? We occasionally go for trips to Munnar during winters and I am curious how the CVT handles the hairpins and the decline. Anything to look out for and tips would be appreciated.

I don't have Honda CVT, but frequently drive the Hyundai CVT and there is no problem in inclines. I expect Honda to be as good if not better. If at all, City has paddle shifters which would come handy in such situations.

3. Is 19.5 L (on road, Kochi) a decent price for the City ZX CVT Obsidian Blue? Price includes 5 year warranty, basic kit and other insurance and tax.

That looks high. Sure there is a lot of room for negotiation left. Avoid the basic kit- that is expensive for what it offers. Get the GFX mats which is pretty good fit for the City.

4. Main reason my dad prefers the City over the Verna is the comfortable seats and I would like to know if it is easy to maintain and if the seats remain comfortable even after a few years.

Should be comfortable. I can vouch for the front seats- they are supremely comfortable and provide very good back support in the ZX's leather version. Totally concur with sreerknair that often light coloured seats get spoiled by occupant's apparels colours only

5. Is it necessary to do ceramic coating? Heard the paint quality is a bit poor in the City.

Again concur with sreerknair. The paint coat is thin, especially in the lighter colours. But no idea about ceramic coating.

6. How well does the wireless android auto work? Is it usable? (The Tiago's system is very slow and sometimes unusable) How smooth is the connected tech and the infotainment system in general?

I use wireless CarPlay and that is smooth and the connection has never dropped in my case. There's a half-second gap when changing tracks through the steering control but not a deal breaker by any means. I expect a wireless connection to behave such a way. Good thing is that there is no unexpected disconnection.

7. This thread mentions a lot of rattles and other noises in the interior. I would like to know if it is a common thing to see. During my TD I found more rattles in the Verna albeit it has run 10k kms more than the City I drove.

I would say that I have never heard it rattle or squeaking till now. Sure, NVH can be improved but no rattles on my car.

8. Any tips to reduce the NVH levels other than sound dampening the doors? Will thick 7D mats, underbody coating help reduce it a bit?

The engine and road noise does filter into the cabin. For road noise, I believe the absence of full wheel cladding is the culprit. Not expected on a 1.8 million car. So, not sure if damping the doors will help much.

Apologies for the numerous questions. My father has stretched the budget from 12L to 20L with some difficulty, so I want to make sure he gets the best car suited for his needs at that price. Once again thank you for this thread.

Perfect. The Car should check all your boxes in short esp in the CVT version. Should turn out to be a good buy, especially in the long run.