[Trooprex]

Hello Members,

Last year I exchanged my Fiat Punto (Petrol - Emotion) with the 5th Gen Honda City V-CVT, Brown and am absolutely loving the experience.

Was driving Punto for ~13 years and was facing constant niggles and service issues. Last year on a trip to Mussoorie, the car gave up on its fluids and leaked from almost all the pipes, steering fluid, engine oil, you name it. Somehow managed to return back home in a crippled yet 'I'll manage to get you home car'. The FNG guy repaired it and advised me to keep using it as it won't fetch me more than 45K. Come year end and I was at Honda negotiating the City. This time I wanted reliability, convenience more than the Fun. Got a good deal and 75K for Punto in exchange. The buying experience was good and above all the ownership experience has been fantastic since the V variant of the face lift is a total value for money product. Have clocked 10000 kilometers and still a month away from 1st anniversary. And yes, am not missing on the fun. Moving from 1.2L FIRE to 1.5L V-TEC is a total bliss with the convenience of CVT. Am quite a sedate driver but occasionally never mind revving it. Haven't redlined it yet and don't plan to do it either.


Did Ghaziabad - Lucknow - Ghaziabad 4 times and loved the performance and mileage I got. Max 23.5 kmpl on cruise control at 100 kmph (Agra - Lucknow Expressway speed limits). The least was 17 kmpl when I went over 120 kmph occasionally.

The ADAS features of 'adaptive cruise control' and 'lane keep assist system' made the journey a total stress-free experience.

However, there is one more ADAS feature, Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS) which appears to have a mind of its own.
This would trigger a warning if there were a leading vehicle that is too close, and the gap is closing fast between the leading car and my car.
If this occurs quickly then the car would automatically deploy the brakes.
Quite a welcoming feature one would say but what if there is a vehicle tailing you. This happened on one instance when I was ~55kmph and the road ahead was clear. Suddenly, an Activa entered the road from left some 100 meters ahead and quietly made its way to the left lane.
This is exactly when the Lord of ADAS decided to save me from a totally unwarranted/impossible front collision and automatically braked the car to a dead stop, 55 kmph - 0, screeching, making all sort of sounds the brake and the brake pedal would make. The Activa was still more than 100 meters ahead and nowhere in the lane. This is exactly where there was a Hyundai Venue tailing me at ~30 ft behind. I bow to the reflexes of the Venue driver who swirled past me in nick of time and prevented a certain rear ending. Was probably my day and got saved.
There was no need for ADAS to get hyper active and do this. There was no threat at all but still the sensor somehow evaluated the scenario as collision worthy and applied brakes.

After this I always turn this feature off whenever I start the car. Now here I have an observation. All the ADAS features can be turned off and shall remain off at all times but this one. The CMBS will turn On every time you start the car and needs to be manually turned off each time. Also, you cannot turn it off if the car is moving. What if you forget to turn it off and started driving and the ADAS decides to brake. The above incident has left me shocked, and I have put up a sticker that says 'Turn Off CMBS before driving' in case I forget to turn it off.
Have reported this to Honda to provide me an option to permanently turn this CMBS off so that I can remove the sticker as this feature is not very reliable. Keeping it on is like having a guy sitting near the brake pedal who would deploy it without your consent.
Honda says that this feature cannot be turned off permanently as per the government guidelines for safety in terms of ADAS, this feature shall be activated by default each time the car is started. If you do not want this, turn it off each time the car starts.
The whole experience of Honda reliability is now based on me being alert to turn it off each time I start the car.

Does anybody here in the forum has faced such an issue. I know one colleague of a friend whose city got rear ended just because the Lord of ADAS deployed the brakes hard when it wasn't actually required.
Any suggestion from the experts here would definitely help and finally I would be able to remove the sticker 'Turn Off CMBS before driving'.

[MT1705]

Originally Posted by gopalnt

I have a different view on this.

In City, while the backseat is good, the floor under the front seats have a slopping angle. I was not able to stretch my legs and had to keep the legs bent, which negated the comfort factor. This will be an issue during long drives. Even in the front seat, there is a slopping angle where you will place the feet.

In Verna, while there are no such slopes, but because it has too much thigh support, the legs will float in the air when stretched. So again, I was forced to bend the legs to keep it on the floor.

Only in Virtus/Slavia, I was able to stretch the legs without any issues. But unfortunately, the backrest angle was too upright for me.

Yes the angle on the floor is something I also noticed when we first went to check out City and i felt to like it. what i feel is the slope would work ok for height up to 5'6-5'8, if you are above that height sloping angle will not be comfortable, and this should hold true even for the front seat.

Haven't sat in the backseat yet of my car, the same slope is in Elevate and i liked it while sitting in the back of my colleague's car. Will try it on a longer distance also now that you have mentioned.

Slavia was the first one we tried, liked it also, back seat were comfortable there too. and for me the 1.0L would sit well in budget, but whatever I read & saw about the AC performance of 1.0L turbo on Skoda/VW was not very reassuring And for me VW was not an option as there is no sales - service in my city.

When you live in place where temp goes to 50 just like that and almost half the year its hovers at 35-38. AC also became a criteria in my selection list, and then I thought to look one step ahead and look for the cars which give option for the remote AC start .

City gives that remote start AC turn on option with CVT, Verna one time became front runner in consideration as it is even giving that remote start in the manual variant also if the car is in neutral. temps are around 20-22 now a days here so can't say much about the AC of City, lets see in April if my decision will hold good or not

[MT1705]

Originally Posted by Trooprex

The ADAS features of 'adaptive cruise control' and 'lane keep assist system' made the journey a total stress-free experience.

However, there is one more ADAS feature, Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS) which appears to have a mind of its own.
This would trigger a warning if there were a leading vehicle that is too close, and the gap is closing fast between the leading car and my car.
If this occurs quickly then the car would automatically deploy the brakes.
Quite a welcoming feature one would say but what if there is a vehicle tailing you. This happened on one instance when I was ~55kmph and the road ahead was clear. Suddenly, an Activa entered the road from left some 100 meters ahead and quietly made its way to the left lane.
This is exactly when the Lord of ADAS decided to save me from a totally unwarranted/impossible front collision and automatically braked the car to a dead stop, 55 kmph - 0, screeching, making all sort of sounds the brake and the brake pedal would make. The Activa was still more than 100 meters ahead and nowhere in the lane. This is exactly where there was a Hyundai Venue tailing me at ~30 ft behind. I bow to the reflexes of the Venue driver who swirled past me in nick of time and prevented a certain rear ending. Was probably my day and got saved.
There was no need for ADAS to get hyper active and do this. There was no threat at all but still the sensor somehow evaluated the scenario as collision worthy and applied brakes.

After this I always turn this feature off whenever I start the car. Now here I have an observation. All the ADAS features can be turned off and shall remain off at all times but this one. The CMBS will turn On every time you start the car and needs to be manually turned off each time. Also, you cannot turn it off if the car is moving. What if you forget to turn it off and started driving and the ADAS decides to brake. The above incident has left me shocked, and I have put up a sticker that says 'Turn Off CMBS before driving' in case I forget to turn it off.
Have reported this to Honda to provide me an option to permanently turn this CMBS off so that I can remove the sticker as this feature is not very reliable. Keeping it on is like having a guy sitting near the brake pedal who would deploy it without your consent.
Honda says that this feature cannot be turned off permanently as per the government guidelines for safety in terms of ADAS, this feature shall be activated by default each time the car is started. If you do not want this, turn it off each time the car starts.
The whole experience of Honda reliability is now based on me being alert to turn it off each time I start the car.

Does anybody here in the forum has faced such an issue. I know one colleague of a friend whose city got rear ended just because the Lord of ADAS deployed the brakes hard when it wasn't actually required.
Any suggestion from the experts here would definitely help and finally I would be able to remove the sticker 'Turn Off CMBS before driving'.

i just got my City last week, still under 1000kms, so my experience wouldn't be as comprehensive as yours. During the research, had read this about LORD ADAS's always on CMBS function and on delivery day, the only thing I asked from them was only how to turn it off. i have kept it off since then by keeping a reminder for me. in last 2-3 days during office commutes have kept it turned on just to have a feel of it, by God's grace till now i have been lucky that some random vehicle hasn't cut me off so no emergency braking till now. However, two times the system started with a warning when the front vehicle stopped at red light and i didn't touched the brakes as i thought i'll stop a bit closer, but as soon as i touched the brakes the warning went away and let me have the control of the car.

But i fully agree in Indian road conditions where people don't leave a single finger distance between vehicles this CMBS is a bit more and i too would like to have it permanently turned off or at least not get activated in city speeds of 40-50, on highways expressways for sure this could come handy to save.

[saket77]

Originally Posted by Trooprex

However, there is one more ADAS feature, Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS) which appears to have a mind of its own.

Yes, the CMBS is slightly unpredictable. I used to turn off this feature before driving but unfortunately you have to navigate through the menu everytime to switch it off which isn't practical. If there was a press switch on steering wheel, it would have been easier to toggle but it is simply impossible to remember or even go through the menu to turn it off everytime you restart your car. So, now I just let it be. I have slightly modified my driving and tend not to go too close to any other vehicle in front. Some times it still triggers especially at turns or curves where the ADAS system will see person/ vehicle standing at curve as an obstacle even if you are actually turning.

However, obstacle 100 metres away surely shouldn't trigger the CMBS.

Thanks.

[gopalnt]

Originally Posted by MT1705

Slavia was the first one we tried, liked it also, back seat were comfortable there too. and for me the 1.0L would sit well in budget, but whatever I read & saw about the AC performance of 1.0L turbo on Skoda/VW was not very reassuring And for me VW was not an option as there is no sales - service in my city.

When you live in place where temp goes to 50 just like that and almost half the year its hovers at 35-38. AC also became a criteria in my selection list, and then I thought to look one step ahead and look for the cars which give option for the remote AC start .

City gives that remote start AC turn on option with CVT, Verna one time became front runner in consideration as it is even giving that remote start in the manual variant also if the car is in neutral. temps are around 20-22 now a days here so can't say much about the AC of City, lets see in April if my decision will hold good or not

If at all I am buying a sedan, VW/Skoda will NOT be in my list just because of the above reason - I can't forgive them for designing such a poor AC for our climate and that they have still not addressed it even after years.

Verna's AC is okay-ish, better than VW/Slavia. In fact, I have felt AC is not effective in any of Hyundai cars.

City's AC performance is top-notch, cools the cabin in very quick time. AC becomes sluggish when ECO mode is On, but if you are not using that, then AC does bring smile on to the face. And yes, that Remote AC On feature has helped me many a times, when I had to park the car under the sun during hot summers.

[CarCraze]

Originally Posted by Trooprex

Any suggestion from the experts here would definitely help and finally I would be able to remove the sticker 'Turn Off CMBS before driving'.

I am not sure, but I read somewhere there is a setting on how should ADAS work, with respect to sensitivity. Can you check and set up with less sensitivity?
Sorry since my car doesnt have ADAS I cannot tell you the exact setting

[Trooprex]

Originally Posted by CarCraze

I am not sure, but I read somewhere there is a setting on how should ADAS work, with respect to sensitivity. Can you check and set up with less sensitivity?
Sorry since my car doesnt have ADAS I cannot tell you the exact setting

Thanks for your reply. In Honda's ADAS I'm afraid there's no scale for sensitivity. So either you drive ADAS way or your way.

Originally Posted by saket77

Yes, the CMBS is slightly unpredictable. I used to turn off this feature before driving but unfortunately you have to navigate through the menu everytime to switch it off which isn't practical. If there was a press switch on steering wheel, it would have been easier to toggle but it is simply impossible to remember or even go through the menu to turn it off everytime you restart your car. So, now I just let it be. I have slightly modified my driving and tend not to go too close to any other vehicle in front. Some times it still triggers especially at turns or curves where the ADAS system will see person/ vehicle standing at curve as an obstacle even if you are actually turning.

However, obstacle 100 metres away surely shouldn't trigger the CMBS.

Thanks.

Thanks. I too have observed that this feature turns on at curves because it is not aware of the change in direction.

Also found a similar post in the forum regarding this here.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/road-...ml#post5748376 (ADAS dangerous in India | Sudden, unexpected braking causes rear-end collision)

I'm afraid the same thing happened with me as in the post above.
The whole point of this feature being scary is the vehicle that is following you totally unaware.

[Motorfanatic1]

Originally Posted by MT1705

Took the delivery on 15th afternoon from Iconic Honda Gurgaon.

Many congratulations MT1705 on fantastic purchase. Here's wishing you miles of happy motoring. Honda AT is a fun experience and you will enjoy every bit of it.

[MT1705]

Hello, I have a question regarding the city's remote start. So, I tested the car's remote start in the evening yesterday while leaving the office to check how much distance is needed and have the vehicle take 30-40 seconds for the cold start. I saw the car blink, and the engine was turned on.

I reached the car, opened the door, pressed the brake pedal, and as soon as I tried changing the gear to D, the car turned off. I thought maybe I had done something wrong, so I turned it on and drove off. This morning, I tried again, turned on the car using a remote while putting my bag and stuff in the car, and pressed the pedal. I tried changing to D, and again, it turned off.

Is this how this functionality works, and if so, then I can't make sense of it, or am I doing something wrong?

[Motorfanatic1]

Originally Posted by MT1705

Hello, I have a question regarding the city's remote start. So, I tested the car's remote start in the evening yesterday while leaving the office to check how much distance is needed and have the vehicle take 30-40 seconds for the cold start. I saw the car blink, and the engine was turned on.

I reached the car, opened the door, pressed the brake pedal, and as soon as I tried changing the gear to D, the car turned off. I thought maybe I had done something wrong, so I turned it on and drove off. This morning, I tried again, turned on the car using a remote while putting my bag and stuff in the car, and pressed the pedal. I tried changing to D, and again, it turned off.

Is this how this functionality works, and if so, then I can't make sense of it, or am I doing something wrong?

Try doing this "To drive further, step on the brake pedal and push the ENGINE START/STOP button once. Doing so, the instrument cluster will illuminate and you will be ready to drive"

[MT1705]

Originally Posted by Motorfanatic1

Try doing this "To drive further, step on the brake pedal and push the ENGINE START/STOP button once. Doing so, the instrument cluster will illuminate and you will be ready to drive"

Thanks this works.. After you mentioned I noticed the cluster showed to press engine start/stop button, I only focused on the press pedal symbol and text

Thanks once again.

[Learner]

My petrol manual City has developed a peculiar problem. In stop and go traffic when I start releasing the clutch pedal without pressing the accelerator in first gear, the car shudders(jerks) quite a lot. These jerks are also there while reversing without any accelerator inputs but clutch pedal slightly pushed. However if I press accelerator pedal then car moves smoothly. Also sometimes during braking the rpm increases. Is it a sign of clutch wear or something else? The car has run 130k km.

[subhasis]

Originally Posted by nikhil_s

Hi Subhasis,

Which variant and colour did you take home? I've made a booking for V, but am confused whether to go for MT or CVT. I won't be driving it much in the city, but am planning to keep it for a long time (read as - as I get older convenience will matter more).

Thanks
Nikhil

Hi Nikhil,
Apologies for the delayed response; there were some exigencies at home.
I got the ZX MT (R) version in Meteoroid Grey. Perhaps I guess you might have already finalized your booking by now.
I’ve always preferred manual transmissions over automatics. Although I haven’t driven the car much yet, I’ve found the gear shifts to be quite smooth. The driving experience has been a pleasure so far, and the need for frequent gear changes is minimal—likely because of the car's tall gearing.
Considering your primary usage will be on highways and the relatively infrequent need for gear changes, you might want to consider sticking with the manual. However, that being said, I’ve heard excellent feedback about the CVT as well. The i-VTEC engine continues to be a gem and pairs well with both transmissions.
I am experiencing a few minor niggles, I hope they fix it during the first service which is due this Saturday.

Here are a few photos of my car—these photos are not crisp but hope they help you in your decision-making!

We took the delivery on this Deepavali, after taking delivery took the car to Ragigudda Temple for puja





Next day visited 3M, Whitefield for some work







The interior



Best regards,
Subhasis

[Motorfanatic1]

Originally Posted by Learner

My petrol manual City has developed a peculiar problem. In stop and go traffic when I start releasing the clutch pedal without pressing the accelerator in first gear, the car shudders(jerks) quite a lot. These jerks are also there while reversing without any accelerator inputs but clutch pedal slightly pushed. However if I press accelerator pedal then car moves smoothly. Also sometimes during braking the rpm increases. Is it a sign of clutch wear or something else? The car has run 130k km.

This is most likely due to the clutch wear and tear. Get the same examined. For reference, do read this https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techn...-24-print.html

[Highh5]

Originally Posted by Learner

My petrol manual City has developed a peculiar problem. In stop and go traffic when I start releasing the clutch pedal without pressing the accelerator in first gear, the car shudders(jerks) quite a lot. These jerks are also there while reversing without any accelerator inputs but clutch pedal slightly pushed. However if I press accelerator pedal then car moves smoothly. Also sometimes during braking the rpm increases. Is it a sign of clutch wear or something else? The car has run 130k km.

You are thinking in the right direction, this is very much sign of clutch wear and tear. If it is manageable, you can go ahead with that and if it is too intruding then you will have to go for the replacement of that.