[searacer932]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

The highest safety rating achieved by Honda for India is a 3 star for the Mobilio.

If Mr. Cost Cutting a.k.a el-cheapo a.k.a Mobilio had achieved 3 star rating in safety then we can be quite sure that Honda City would at least score 3 star if not more considering the fact Honda's cost cutting platform had performed better compared to Suzuki's premium platform 'Heartect' on safety.

Anyone considering safety should prefer City over Ciaz

[Shreyans_Jain]

Originally Posted by searacer932

If Mr. Cost Cutting a.k.a el-cheapo a.k.a Mobilio had achieved 3 star rating in safety then we can be quite sure that Honda City would at least score 3 star if not more considering the fact Honda's cost cutting platform had performed better compared to Suzuki's premium platform 'Heartect' on safety.

Anyone considering safety should prefer City over Ciaz

There is no objective evidence that backs the idea that the City is safer than the Ciaz. Neither car has itself been crash tested by GNCAP. Their related siblings have been, and both managed a mediocre 3 stars with an ‘unstable’ rating for the chassis at 64kmph. As such, the notion of one car being safer than the other remains entirely speculative.

[OSH]

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

Their related siblings have been, and both managed a mediocre 3 stars with an ‘unstable’ rating for the chassis at 64kmph.

If by related you mean from the same manufacturer then fine, but otherwise the Mobilio was built on the Brio platform whereas the City is built on the Jazz/Fit platform so they are not at all related by their underpinnings.

[self_driven]

Originally Posted by searacer932

Anyone considering safety should prefer City over Ciaz

I've been in both. To be honest, as an occupant, there's not much of a difference in build quality between the two at least in terms of feel.
Neither of the two is what you can call "solidly built" for the price point. In most areas, the City feels as flimsy as the Ciaz (and a lot worse than the Verna).

Anyone seriously considering safety should rather go for the Europeans.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Platforms don't matter here. Attitude towards the Indian market does!

BR-V which is essentially the same Mobilio with claddings, and based on the Brio platform scored a 5-star rating in ASEAN NCAP with 2 airbags, whereas the City scored 4 stars there with 2 airbags and 5-stars with the 6 airbag version. Even the old Amaze scored a 4-star rating for the ASEAN markets. So, basically nothing wrong with the Brio platform.

But Mobilio scored 3-stars in India. With this attitude towards the Indian market - there is just no guarantee that the ASEAN result for the City is applicable here.

PS: The same thing can be said about Suzuki. Ciaz scored 4-stars with 2 airbags, same as the City, in ASEAN NCAP. But we all know how bad their Indianized 'Heartect' platform has fared so far, even if the Ciaz is also not tested yet!

[Nithesh_M]

Cars sold in Africa are same grade as one sold in India. Africa is just as price sensitive as India. Suzuki sells the same barebones Celerio there for the masses. Renault sells their awfully poor crash rated Kwid there aswell.

[AutoNoob]

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

But how is it possible that they have managed to alter the wheelbase? That is a major engineering change and can’t be done at a whim. It is also highly unlikely that they designed the City with two wheelbases, with such little difference between the two. Something seems amiss here.

Changing wheelbase (within a limited range) is an easy job. Such flexibility is built into platforms, from the beginning of development, to cater different market needs, different vehicle needs (e.g. a Hatchback and a full sedan on same platform, for instance Nissan Micra and Nissan Sunny were developed on same V-Platform). There is even flexibility to change width, and sometimes, to accommodate 4x4 systems etc.

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

My guess was that they didn't want to compromise on the rear legroom compared to the previous generation. Convinced even more because the length of the car is more as well

Rear legroom is the biggest and only pain point in current City w.r.t. Ciaz. So, it makes sense if Honda is trying to address that.

Originally Posted by searacer932

If Mr. Cost Cutting a.k.a el-cheapo a.k.a Mobilio had achieved 3 star rating in safety then we can be quite sure that Honda City would at least score 3 star if not more considering the fact Honda's cost cutting platform had performed better compared to Suzuki's premium platform 'Heartect' on safety.

Guys, I request that one should not rely on 'platform' while comparing crash safety performance of a vehicle in different markets.

OEMs play big game due to pressure from bean counters. A vehicle rolling out from same production line for different markets can have entirely different structural strength.

Platform is just architecture, i.e. arrangement of different sheet metals, parts, systems etc. to make a vehicle. Now, the stuff that's not visible to customer gets played with. Material grade, size of reinforcements, thickness, presence / absence of reinforcements, knee protector pads, collapsible pedals and so on make all the difference . On modern production lines enough flexibility is available to handle such variations.

So, please do not get influenced by all this marketing talk about platforms etc. because in reality we don't know what are we getting, till its certified by an independent agency like GNCAP. Again results of vehicle from one market may not be applicable to other market. Heck, results of higer variants may not be applicable to lower variants (particularly for structural integrity). Thats another reason GNCAP etc. pick lowest variant for testing.

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

PS: The same thing can be said about Suzuki. Ciaz scored 4-stars with 2 airbags, same as the City, in ASEAN NCAP. But we all know how bad their Indianized 'Heartect' platform has fared so far, even if the Ciaz is also not tested yet!

From what I have read, Ciaz is based on older platform and not the featherlight 'Heartache' platform. (typo is intended)

[navpreet318]

Is there some kind of news that the new Honda city will only be launched is the higher spec models? That lower models will be current gen and higher will be next gen.

What a stupid move if Honda tries to pull it off unless the lower models are in the Taxi segment.

[vipul_singh]

Originally Posted by self_driven

Neither of the two is what you can call "solidly built" for the price point. In most areas, the City feels as flimsy as the Ciaz (and a lot worse than the Verna).

It is wrong to associate lightly built body panels with poor crash worthiness. The strength of the car comes from the materials used in the skeleton of the car, and the design of the skeleton itself.

It is high time we stopped spreading this belief, at least on Team-BHP. Cars with tinny body panels can be strong or weak, just like cars with heavy body panels can.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by navpreet318

Is there some kind of news that the new Honda city will only be launched is the higher spec models?

This leaked ARAI type approval document seems to mention only V, VX and ZX variants this time around. No entry-level E, S, SV variants like the earlier generations. The feature distribution and its impact on pricing remain to be seen though.

Originally Posted by navpreet318

That lower models will be current gen and higher will be next gen.

What a stupid move if Honda tries to pull it off unless the lower models are in the Taxi segment.

There was no such scoop till date AFAIK. Any source of this info?

[navpreet318]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

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There was no such scoop till date AFAIK. Any source of this info?

A friend had booked a current gen Honda City a couple of days back. Now wants to change to the next gen City. This is the response he's getting from his ghaziabad dealer.

Total discount on current gen is just 43K which I feel is too low compared to the depreciation which the current model will see once the next gen is launched.

[dark.knight]

Its a Honda tradition with the City to copy each current rear lamp design of BMWs, so this rear lamp iteration of City, resembling quite a bit, the G series current gen of BMW, looks more premium than ever before, its a mish mash of Lexus and BMW back there, and the front is the best version of the City according to me, even better than the first gen arrowhead design. I'd say this makes much more sense over the Civic now, since the City has a higher profile and better rear seats compared to the literally squatting Civic.

To me, a Honda never made sense because its engine style didn't ever gel with my right foot, some people enjoy watching the RPM go way over to the right, than the speedo, I want torque off the blocks with the RPMs not even moving.

Should do well as usual, because the City has a niche since it entered, that is unique only to itself, much like the Creta/Seltos twins, the GT TSi and the Innova. Its a muted design both front and back so everyone will like it. Hope they've not watered down even further, a poor build quality since the 2nd gen arrow-head design. If they only get over this obsession of iVTEC and give a lively engine, I might actually go for a test drive.

Yes I know, I've to make the engine sing, keep it on the boil, wring it to life etc, not interested.

[PPS]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

This leaked ARAI type approval document seems to mention only V, VX and ZX variants this time around. No entry-level E, S, SV variants like the earlier generations.

I would be elated if this news is true. Just like the olden times when most cars came with 3 variants! Nowadays most of the cars come with 10+ variants which leaves even the showroom executives confused.

[vsrivatsa]

Originally Posted by PPS

I would be elated if this news is true. Just like the olden times when most cars came with 3 variants! Nowadays most of the cars come with 10+ variants which leaves even the showroom executives confused.

It would still be 12 variants if they launch the Diesel CVT, 6 Petrol Variants and 6 Diesel Variants with one Automatic version for each variant.

[wheelguy]

All-New 2020 Honda City bookings unofficially open for Rs. 21,000 - Link