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Old 3rd September 2021, 09:50   #271
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Definitely a car to look forward to launch. On another note, with the bigger companies harping about lack of market for 4x4 or even an AWD, why not somebody buy the Gurkha from Force or at least make a JV, like how Mahindra bought Reva and Tata did with JTP.

Might be a win-win situation for both companies and for the customer as well.
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I will go against the tide and would like Force Motors to scrap this project.
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I'm in the same agreement boat with you. Force as a brand has been a commercial vehicle brand with a commercial vehicle service mentality. I am sure the original Gurkha was never meant for private use but became so thanks to a few enthusiasts creating demand over the years.

This is an ideal product for Force to license and hand over to another manufacture like Tata or Ford. Force still gets money from the license, the receiving brand gets a capable 4x4 SUV product in their lineup. A Renault-Dacia like partnership will be exactly what the Gurkha needs to garner the same.attraction as the Thar.
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Old 3rd September 2021, 13:46   #273
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When we have an established product like Thar is available in the market, I was wondering who in the real sense will put their hard earned money on an unreliable company like Force. I too like the concept of Gurkha, it has got all the good intentions, just don't have the lineage to be a fully developed product for the mass automobile market. No offense to Gurkha fanboys here though, iam just expressing my thoughts on this vehicle !
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When we have an established product like Thar is available in the market, I was wondering who in the real sense will put their hard earned money on an unreliable company like Force. I too like the concept of Gurkha, it has got all the good intentions, just don't have the lineage to be a fully developed product for the mass automobile market. No offense to Gurkha fanboys here though, iam just expressing my thoughts on this vehicle !
Tend to agree a bit with your thinking. The current Thar is a refined, desirable product from Mahindra. The Gurkha needs to be atleast more desirable and refined than the Thar with a price matching the Thar. I don't think Force motors has the capability now to do this.
By the look of the things, the new Gurkha looks quite well finished and attractive from the outside, however the interiors seem a let down. Plus the engine (90 bhp) is too weak to contest with the Thar. However the fixed top is better than the FRP top that the Thar possesses. Moreover the Gurkha will have a much better luggage space/boot compared to the Thar.
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Plus the engine (90 bhp) is too weak to contest with the Thar.
Has Force Motors officially released the full specs of the BS VI Gurkha? And the BHP/torque figures that we have are at lower RPM compared to Thar. For 4x4 off reading, low end torque is more important. I suspect that Thar's BHP/torque shall drop down if tested at the RPM quoted by Force for Gurkha.

Looking at BHP figures in isolation would be not give a complete picture. One would have to look at the entire drivetrain, comprising of the engine output at various RPMs, clutch size and material, the gear ratios, final drive ratio and even the wheel size.

There is a ownership review thread around for a BS IV 90 BHP. That vehicle has proved to be a fantastic highway cruiser and off roader, although the owner is facing service issues.

And regarding service problems etc, every brand,home grown or foreign, has it's share of dissatisfied customers.

It seems Force Motors is playing the game with cards held very closely to chest. The full picture shall be known only after the official launch.

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Looking at BHP figures in isolation would be not give a complete picture. One would have to look at the entire drivetrain, comprising of the engine output at various RPMs, clutch size and material, the gear ratios, final drive ratio and even the wheel size.
True , good old Jeeps with their ~ 50 bhp engine is all that is needed to pull a small village worth of people through plantation trails.

It isn't all that quick through the highways though but that is expected because at the basic level Horse Power is the rate at which work is being done, less can be less indeed unless the vehicle in itself is very light which the Gurkha wasn't, however we must wait for the vehicle's launch to know more about it.
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I really look forward to new Gurkha launch , it should do reasonably well going by Thar's success. from pure spartan interiors to this is a huge leap.
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Google had been stalking me and thus came up with this recommnedation in Youtube.
The force Gurkha needs no more promotions for an Off Road enthusiast.
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Looks like Force has 'fixed' everything that didn't really need fixing but failed to fix the biggest problem, the elephant in the room; THE ENGINE!

I've driven a friend's 2.6ltr 90hp engine (with a dieseltronic) for quite some time. The engine runs out of steam easily on the open road and does get very loud, unresponsive, and vibey at mid-to-high RPMs.

With the 2.2 Gurkha already in circulation, I honestly expected force to replace the 2.6 with 2.2 for good, update the interiors, add a few more safety features. It's hard to understand why force went back to the 2.6.

As far as the looks go, no offence, but I honestly feel the old Gurkha looked WAAAY better. This version somewhat looks too 'cheapy' & 'plasticky'. The headlights & touchscreen look too cheap and aftermarket. Like stuff you used to find on Aliexpress.

With the Thar setting sales charts in fire and the Suzuki Jimny in the offing, where does force really see Gurkha fitting in?
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Looks like Force has 'fixed' everything that didn't really need fixing but failed to fix the biggest problem, the elephant in the room; THE ENGINE!

I've driven a friend's 2.6ltr 90hp engine (with a dieseltronic) for quite some time. The engine runs out of steam easily on the open road and does get very loud, unresponsive, and vibey at mid-to-high RPMs.

With the 2.2 Gurkha already in circulation, I honestly expected force to replace the 2.6 with 2.2 for good, update the interiors, add a few more safety features. It's hard to understand why force went back to the 2.6.

As far as the looks go, no offence, but I honestly feel the old Gurkha looked WAAAY better. This version somewhat looks too 'cheapy' & 'plasticky'. The headlights & touchscreen look too cheap and aftermarket. Like stuff you used to find on Aliexpress.

With the Thar setting sales charts in fire and the Suzuki Jimny in the offing, where does force really see Gurkha fitting in?
As far as I know, the 2.6L engine has way more low end torque compared to the 2.2L turbocharged engine.

2.2L turbocharged engine is fine for high speed highway travel, but if you want to slog it out in the swamps and hills at low speeds it lacks the grunt of the 2.6L engine. (the same is the case with the Scorpio and Tata engines).
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Any idea regarding the expected mileage in 2.6L engine? It would be a good deal if it returns to the north of 15kmpl.

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Any idea regarding the expected mileage in 2.6L engine? It would be a good deal if it returns to the north of 15kmpl.
The current 2.6L 4x4 delivers around 10-11 kmpl (more 10 than 11) over highways, an improvement would be great but I doubt there would be a 40% increase if at all there is any.
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New Force Gurkha is expected to debut in the coming weeks.

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Does force motors sell even 100 gurkha vehicles per year? i doubt, as i had not seen one on road from a very long time, or did i really saw one in person? dont remember. When car makers like maruti discontinued diesel motors, as they are not worth the BS6 upgrade, due to numbers. how come force motors is keeping ghurka alive these many years?
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