Thoughts on Dedicated Bus, Cycle, Autorickshaw lanes etc

carjinx · 17th February 2007, 02:10

Hey guys,
While driving in Bangalore, i noticed recently that quite a few big roads have got an auto lane demarked with a yellow line... its a boon to the car drivers such as myself. Even though few of those guys dont go in the auto lane-most of them do! its just much better driving in those roads without them squirming in between any place they find..
So i was just wondering would the situation become any better if the auto lane was expanded a little and buses were forced in them too....how about making a seperate(narrow) lane for the bike guys also...

i mean still the cars would have half the road and driving will become way better than what it is..
Because frankly when bikes and autos show their stunts(such as overtake from my right real fast when im at a standstill about to take a right turn with my indicator on, or when they find little space and rush into that and make me forcibly stop to protect his and my vehicle)...at these times i wished i had a tata sumo and lived in a country where it was legal to run over ppl like these!!

Anyway do u think the above situation would make things better, not that i can put it into effect but just a wondering.....

deepakhon · 17th February 2007, 02:38

Yes. KG Road has separate auto lanes. I think they are planning to implement something like this for busses on the outer ring road. Let us see how things go.

As you said, these things work out well most of the time. But there are certain problems too. As you have now seen, auto lane is the right most lane. If an auto wants to turn left, then there can be some issues. But if you look at it as a whole, it is a good idea to have lanes like this.

I remember this used to be there on Mount Road in Chennai long back. While riding a bike there on a lane meant for cars, I was caught by a cop. But he was corteous enough to let me know that I should follow lane discipline and he just let me off. That was a good lesson learnt for me.

shyamhegde · 17th February 2007, 03:01

But here we have so many left and right turns even for major roads, it might not be useful always. However if they create lanes for auto ricks and buses, i suggest to add cabs too in that list.

carCrazy25 · 17th February 2007, 03:52

Actually there was a rule some time back where they had made Bus lane near Trident Hyundai showroom, the buses had to stick to that lane.
Seriously it was a boon as well as a life Hazard.
Since the road by itself was not very large to have a sub-lane, the place for the buses was too less, so the cones which were nailed to the road, bent outwards by being hit by the sides of the buses, causing danger to other drivers.
But for others, since the buses were not occupying most part of the road, it was a little better to drive.
But it failed miserably as the Bus drivers just could not stick to the lane.
Hope they figure out some way to make tings better.

pugram · 17th February 2007, 07:32

I guess they are copying the London Model, where you have a separate lane for the Buses and they ply only between these lines, but for overtaking. Their speed is also restricted to slightly more than a crawl.

But do we have wider roads to accomodate such traffic ? maybe this can be implemented on sections whereever possible

condor · 17th February 2007, 08:05

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... if the auto lane was expanded a little and buses were forced in them too....how about making a seperate(narrow) lane for the bike guys also...

i mean still the cars would have half the road and driving will become way better than what it is..

Not quite half, but more like the cars will be squeezed into the one lane [or less] that's left, after giving space for all these vehicles ...

jacobgeorge · 17th February 2007, 10:24

Its a good idea but then as Shyam pointed out, there are so many exits and entries into the roads that the purpose is defeated. It could work well on the ring roads but on a road like MG Road, which is not so broad to accomodate dedicated lane traffic, I am not too sure how effective or efficient it could be... especially at the junctions.

tsk1979 · 17th February 2007, 12:18

Delhi has separate bus lanes, but these are obeyed only when there is risk of cops around.

jkdas · 17th February 2007, 12:51

this idea is implemented in London. If you travel along the red color painted road meant for bus and if your are caught, you pay 80GBP

and you have tracks/traffic lights for bicycle in Germany.

rahul_intlad · 17th February 2007, 14:38

THE BRTS is implemented in PUNE already and the lanes are dedicated only for the PMT buses,But ask any of the pune guys and they will tell you this idea has only ended up spoiling the better roads of Pune.

mithun · 20th February 2007, 06:13

These kinds of new traffic legislations/rules are not going to work in the chaotic hurry-scurry Bangalore tarffic. And Bangalore is one of worst cities in India for driving and the road manners doesn't go along with it's IT image that it has created in India/abroad.

carCrazy25 · 20th February 2007, 06:49

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Originally Posted by mithun

These kinds of new traffic legislations/rules are not going to work in the chaotic hurry-scurry Bangalore tarffic. And Bangalore is one of worst cities in India for driving and the road manners doesn't go along with it's IT image that it has created in India/abroad.

I am with mithun here, just tell your client or colleagues here, your from Bangalore, and they all go gaga..oh your from Bangalore, oh this oh that!!!

chanapli · 20th February 2007, 08:08

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Originally Posted by shyamhegde

But here we have so many left and right turns even for major roads, it might not be useful always. However if they create lanes for auto ricks and buses, i suggest to add cabs too in that list.

I heard 800+ vehicles getting registered in Bangalore daily ( All city RTO offices put together) . Where do they go?.

sandeep_tyagi · 20th February 2007, 11:24

Recently Delhi high court instructed to enforce lane-driving in Delhi. As expected, nothing has changed.

Problem is, these can not be enforced. You cannot have cops at every 10 meters to enforce traffic rules. Its more abt responsibility of the drivers. If you are responsible you'll drive sensibly even if there are no markers on the road or cops around.

I advocate severe penalties to inject sense in drivers (specially autos, private buses, cabs drivers).

theMAG · 20th February 2007, 11:51

carjinx,

Thats exactly the advantages in maintaining a lane system as in other countries- the difference here being the lanes will have to be physically demarkated thru barriers; nothing works in India without force.

The need exists more so here idiosyncrously with the policing system lacking the will to do it.

17th February 2007, 02:10	#1
carjinx Newbie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 19 Thanked: 0 Times	Thoughts on Dedicated Bus, Cycle, Autorickshaw lanes etc Hey guys, While driving in Bangalore, i noticed recently that quite a few big roads have got an auto lane demarked with a yellow line... its a boon to the car drivers such as myself. Even though few of those guys dont go in the auto lane-most of them do! its just much better driving in those roads without them squirming in between any place they find.. So i was just wondering would the situation become any better if the auto lane was expanded a little and buses were forced in them too....how about making a seperate(narrow) lane for the bike guys also... i mean still the cars would have half the road and driving will become way better than what it is.. Because frankly when bikes and autos show their stunts(such as overtake from my right real fast when im at a standstill about to take a right turn with my indicator on, or when they find little space and rush into that and make me forcibly stop to protect his and my vehicle)...at these times i wished i had a tata sumo and lived in a country where it was legal to run over ppl like these!! Anyway do u think the above situation would make things better, not that i can put it into effect but just a wondering.....
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17th February 2007, 02:38	#2
deepakhon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,441 Thanked: 65 Times	Yes. KG Road has separate auto lanes. I think they are planning to implement something like this for busses on the outer ring road. Let us see how things go. As you said, these things work out well most of the time. But there are certain problems too. As you have now seen, auto lane is the right most lane. If an auto wants to turn left, then there can be some issues. But if you look at it as a whole, it is a good idea to have lanes like this. I remember this used to be there on Mount Road in Chennai long back. While riding a bike there on a lane meant for cars, I was caught by a cop. But he was corteous enough to let me know that I should follow lane discipline and he just let me off. That was a good lesson learnt for me.
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17th February 2007, 03:01	#3
shyamhegde BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 284 Thanked: 5 Times View My Garage	But here we have so many left and right turns even for major roads, it might not be useful always. However if they create lanes for auto ricks and buses, i suggest to add cabs too in that list.
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17th February 2007, 03:52	#4
carCrazy25 BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 76 Thanked: 0 Times	Actually there was a rule some time back where they had made Bus lane near Trident Hyundai showroom, the buses had to stick to that lane. Seriously it was a boon as well as a life Hazard. Since the road by itself was not very large to have a sub-lane, the place for the buses was too less, so the cones which were nailed to the road, bent outwards by being hit by the sides of the buses, causing danger to other drivers. But for others, since the buses were not occupying most part of the road, it was a little better to drive. But it failed miserably as the Bus drivers just could not stick to the lane. Hope they figure out some way to make tings better.
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17th February 2007, 07:32	#5
pugram BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 400 Thanked: 206 Times	I guess they are copying the London Model, where you have a separate lane for the Buses and they ply only between these lines, but for overtaking. Their speed is also restricted to slightly more than a crawl. But do we have wider roads to accomodate such traffic ? maybe this can be implemented on sections whereever possible
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17th February 2007, 10:24	#7
jacobgeorge BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 53 Thanked: 6 Times	Its a good idea but then as Shyam pointed out, there are so many exits and entries into the roads that the purpose is defeated. It could work well on the ring roads but on a road like MG Road, which is not so broad to accomodate dedicated lane traffic, I am not too sure how effective or efficient it could be... especially at the junctions.
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17th February 2007, 12:18	#8
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Delhi has separate bus lanes, but these are obeyed only when there is risk of cops around.
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17th February 2007, 12:51	#9
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,687 Thanked: 1,492 Times View My Garage	this idea is implemented in London. If you travel along the red color painted road meant for bus and if your are caught, you pay 80GBP and you have tracks/traffic lights for bicycle in Germany. Last edited by jkdas : 17th February 2007 at 12:52.
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17th February 2007, 14:38	#10
rahul_intlad Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 1,579 Thanked: 4 Times	THE BRTS is implemented in PUNE already and the lanes are dedicated only for the PMT buses,But ask any of the pune guys and they will tell you this idea has only ended up spoiling the better roads of Pune.
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20th February 2007, 06:13	#11
mithun BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cochin Posts: 2,195 Thanked: 268 Times	These kinds of new traffic legislations/rules are not going to work in the chaotic hurry-scurry Bangalore tarffic. And Bangalore is one of worst cities in India for driving and the road manners doesn't go along with it's IT image that it has created in India/abroad.
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20th February 2007, 11:24	#14
sandeep_tyagi Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 10 Thanked: 0 Times	Recently Delhi high court instructed to enforce lane-driving in Delhi. As expected, nothing has changed. Problem is, these can not be enforced. You cannot have cops at every 10 meters to enforce traffic rules. Its more abt responsibility of the drivers. If you are responsible you'll drive sensibly even if there are no markers on the road or cops around. I advocate severe penalties to inject sense in drivers (specially autos, private buses, cabs drivers).
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20th February 2007, 11:51	#15
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	carjinx, Thats exactly the advantages in maintaining a lane system as in other countries- the difference here being the lanes will have to be physically demarkated thru barriers; nothing works in India without force. The need exists more so here idiosyncrously with the policing system lacking the will to do it.
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