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| ![]() Completely agree with gutsy here. But what pains me to see is that when they can make a reliable and supremely comfortable SUV like the Hexa which is based on a decade old platform, why can't they make the Harrier ride as comfortably or feel as luxurious as the Hexa? The answer I think lies in the fact that Tata only wanted to harp about the Land Rover DNA when they planned on launching the Harrier. They cut corners with suspension,brakes etc and thought that they would add features like the sunroof,automatic and other gizmos at a later stage. They must have thought that their product will be a smash hit purely because of its looks and the Land Rover DNA. Then suddenly we got the Hector and were bowled over by its features at an almost similar price as that of the Harrier. Now customers suddenly started thinking that the Harrier should also come with these features. Plus initial niggles reported by Harrier owners and media also kept customers away from the showrooms. Customers in India do not give much importance to the way a car is engineered or drives but more to its feature set and how it makes them feel their money well spent. This is especially true for cars and SUVs below 30 or 40 lakh rupees. So for Tata to resurrect the Harrier, it needs to bring features which the current and future competition offers. People are not going to buy their cars for features which they do not feel or see like brake prefill or disc wiping. So now the ball is completely in Tata's court and it would be interesting to see how quickly if at all Tata manages to catch up with the competition. |
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![]() The problem lies in the fact that, the way we expect under 10 Lac INR cars to have less features and cheap parts, the general populace expects something from premium offerings. I personally don't care about sunroof. I have voted against it in a recent poll, anyone can check. But every car other than the Hexa and Harrier in this segment now have a sunroof. Its like offering a sub 8 Lac car in today's day without a 7 inch screen. Maybe a gimmick, but the market expects it. Some non bling premium features they lack: Electric seats, Auto dimming IRVM, TPMS, front park assist, rear passenger adjustable seats, height adjustable seat belts, usable armrest, dead pedal. Some of these are present in the xuv and creta. Don't forget an attractive extended warranty. Now what do people think will happen once the new creta, hector 7 seat and xuv come in? There are rumors about 7 seat versions of creta and seltos too. Tata cannot dictate what the market wants, its the other way around. Pedigree, platform only won't work. Ironically the market currently goes with a 'Jack of all trades, master of none' kind of product these days. And guys, as far as safety is concerned, lets give the other brands some leeway. Its not like the rest of the cars in this segment frequently crash, roll over or crumble all around. Last edited by Chetan_Rao : 30th November 2019 at 22:59. Reason: Corrected typo as requested. | |
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All landrovers right from the discovery sport have aluminum subframes, bonnet and door panels. Regarding in your words "bling" features, as long as the competition provides bling like automatic, a sunroof and mood lighting at the same price as the Harrier, I am not sure what benefit does the Harrier bring to the table? The poor price to feature ratio is reflected well in the monthly sales figures of Harrier versus say a Hector/Seltos even. Last edited by AirbusCapt : 30th November 2019 at 23:02. | |
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Let alone Hector and Seltos, the Xuv 500 has consistently sold more than the Harrier for the past 4 months. That is a fact, but we'll be accused of being Tata bashers. | |
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| ![]() I just went through the Gravitas teaser on their new websiteGravitas again and I just cant understand for the vehicle we know what makes Tata claim the following:- - Opulence unparalleled - without a host of features that similarly priced cars from rival brands offer - Power Unimagined - 170 bhp which the Compass has had for a couple of years now and the best of them all - It is the ultimate luxury SUV - I thought premium itself was a tag which was difficult to live with. Luxury is well leaving me speechless Tata I want you to reclaim your life and your brand and you keep throwing phrases which just dont reflect in the car you build. |
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As far as pricing goes, lets focus on model by model comparison - Similar spec Compass is way too expensive and Hector which is marginally higher is hardly a SUV, with its pathetic ride quality and body roll. Its MPV at best. Better, not get Seltos into the picture as its just a crossover and a big hatchback. Its top end variant is way too expensive as compared to its offering > 20 Lacs. On a similar note, Tucson is a very competent vehicle, both in terms of specs and features, but alas.. they are just selling ~60 a month. Still, its an awesome vehicle. On the other hand, Alturus is selling just 200 a month, but that doesn't make it an incompetent vehicle. Remember, its only one MT trim of Harrier in the market and yet it sold ~1250 last month Quote:
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Anyway, back to the topic, with the Gravitas, they should strongly consider tweaking the front end a little and giving it an identity of it's own. | |
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| ![]() Now that Gravitas is confirmed to be a front wheel drive van, Tata badly needs an SUV in their portfolio. For the first time since sierra/telconline 4x4 launch (20 years ago) , the supposedly largest indian automobile manufacturer( TML says so in their website) will not have a 4x4 or AWD in its passenger vehicle portfolio starting April 2020 when Hexa goes away for BS6 transition. On another note , I now respect the people inside TML who pushed back against giving Safari name to Gravitas. Last edited by padmrajravi : 1st December 2019 at 09:19. |
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| ![]() If Buzzard is Harrier with an additional row of seats, wont it go the Harrier way? Pardon my ignorance as I have not been following the Buzzard with much interest, but there still is no panoramic sun-roof (reason cited is the step roof - and the buyer wont care about that!). So where exactly does this score over Harrier? (I'm genuinely asking) Last edited by Sebring : 1st December 2019 at 10:23. |
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I am still holding my cheque book in hand to book the Harrier but if I'm going to throw down 21 big ones for a TATA the least they could do is fix their gremlins after a year of launch. For now I've decided to wait it out for the 7 seater until February. If they price it way out of the Harriers range with the same gremlins of the 5 seater, then its as good as DOA for me. If MG/Kia/Hyundai launch their 7 seaters before Feb undercutting them significantly then Tata can say tata to those of us sitting on the sidelines. | |
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1. Captains chairs option for the middle row. 2. Sliding and reclining rear bench seat. 3. Auto dimming IRVM. 4. Configurable mood lighting. 5. Electronic parking brake. 6. Rear disc brakes. 7. 18 inch alloy wheels. 8. Independent rear AC. 9. Option of a 3rd row for occasional use only. Last edited by ram87pune : 1st December 2019 at 14:57. | |
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