[sidhu.algods]

Only missing things are
1. 4WD/AWD, without this, there is no point in referring this 7 seater Harrier as New Safari!
2. Ventilated seats, at this price point there is nothing wrong in expecting this feature at least in top trims. Even 15 lakh Sonet offers this feature, which is a must have in this part of world.

[Ashboyt]

The 15 lac sonet has this feature because at heart it is a 7-8 lac car and these features are how they reach 15 lacs. Safety and engine spec wise(true cost) sonet is using cheat codes to cheat the public. If a 15 lac sonet is to be compared with a safari then appropriate price point would be a 45 lac safari.

[DeKay]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

Why have they given Harrier 6 airbags, ESP and bucketloads of safety features if they could easily get a GNCAP 5 rating with just 2 airbags and corner brake control like they have in Altroz?

Simply because in the Harrier's and Safari's segment and price range, it's a standard customer expectation, almost assumed. The Innova never came with side and curtain airbags before the Crysta. Neither did the Fortuner. In fact, the Corolla Altis had just 2 for the longest time when the Jetta had 8! Expectations evolved, companies evolved with them.

In the sub 4 metre SUV segment or premium hatch segment, having 6 airbags is still an oddity. Just look at the Baleno's and Brezza twins' sales numbers.
A ton of market research goes into these things, maybe to an average customer shopping around in these segments, the incremental perceived value of 4 more airbags isn't as much as having a 5 star crash rating. I know because I've been involved in the product conception phase of an Indian passenger car.

Besides, companies are increasingly cash strapped, especially a company like TML that wasn't exactly setting the sales charts on fire.

I'm sure the next iterations of both, the Altroz and Nexon will have 6 airbags because customer expectations will have evolved. It is because of companies like Tata and Mahindra that customers are even aware of crash test ratings and a car's structural integrity. If they want to stay ahead of the curve, which I'm sure they do, safety is going to be paramount in all their products going forward.

[kedar_GT]

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

What DicKy said.

There is a lever present on the inside part of the front passenger seat (above the front armrest area), which will enable the 2nd row passenger to slide the
OTA (Over the Air) software updates,
and more.

Will this the highway muncher that you will be picking up, @RavenAvi?

[5252rpm]

Originally Posted by iamahunter

TATA should have simply used this advert's tune...
Would have pulled many more strings...

Me too echo your sentiments! The adrenaline rush we had seeing this jump and power slide is just MASSIVE! So many goosebumps moments. Tata should have recreated the same ad. Most of the potential buyers of the new Safari are the ones who had a crush on this in their teenage. They might easily relate to the Reclaim Your Life ad. But not sure if that makes sense for the marketing team as Safari no longer retains Safari DNA.

Btw, Does the new Safari gets rear independent suspension and disc breaks all round?

[Lowflyer23]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

Emotions aside why have they given Harrier 6 airbags, ESP and bucketloads of safety features if they could easily get a GNCAP 5 rating with just 2 airbags and corner brake control like they have in Altroz?

Then what's the need of multiple airbags in a Rolls Royce or Maybach? Two would be sufficient to have a good safety score.

[Miel]

The Harrier/Safari twins are extremely handsome! However I wish they had differentiated the Safari's front fascia a bit more from the Harrier. Full marks for choosing to go with the "Safari" branding which has a strong cult following and aspirational value.

I hope Tata has ensured the niggles are at a minimum considering they've gotten enough time to test and fix the Harrier.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by Lowflyer23

Then what's the need of multiple airbags in a Rolls Royce or Maybach? Two would be sufficient to have a good safety score.

Let me fill you in here, the discussion is 6 airbags , ESP and electronic safety tech Vs 2 airbags , ABS and GNCAP 5 star rating. What is you choice?

Why are car makers adding more airbags and electronic safety tech if only 2 airbags and ABS is required to meet the score?

Are you saying that Harrier customer is safe because of 6 airbags and a dozen electronic safety aids while Altroz customer is safe because of 2 airbags, ABS and a GNCAP sticker?

[TorqueIndia]

SAFARI branding has skyrocketed the product recognition of this SUV , it even feels similar to Thar launch . 7 seaters were dying, we were actually looking for one in 15-20 lakhs and liked HEXA and Marazzo , but the dismal sales figures kept us away.

Dropped 2 seats and glued to SELTOS , then came GNCAP crash test results , parked the ball in HARRIER court , then came this product induction-SAFARI and it's pulling like anything !

Biggest USP of SAFARI is 6/7 proper seating and massive some 625L of boot space when 3rd row is folded down. It may come at 1-1.5 lakh premium over Harrier.

The upcoming two established brands SAFARI and XUV will crush the competition, interesting days ahead.

It is one the smartest marketing from Tata Motors in the recent times clap, but copying the old ads won't work here . Work hard on customer satisfaction at sales points.

[Lowflyer23]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

Let me fill you in here, the discussion is 6 airbags , ESP and electronic safety tech Vs 2 airbags , ABS and GNCAP 5 star rating. What is you choice?

Why are car makers adding more airbags and electronic safety tech if only 2 airbags and ABS is required to meet the score?

Are you saying that Harrier customer is safe because of 6 airbags and a dozen electronic safety aids while Altroz customer is safe because of 2 airbags, ABS and a GNCAP sticker?

You are missing the point here, the fact is customers should have a car with both 6 airbags and a 5 star crash test rating. Even if a car gets 5 star rating with two airbags, it would always be better to have side and curtain airbags on the very same car in the event of a side impact.

Why do you think 6/8 airbags are the norm in luxury segment? Because the customer expectation is a lot higher and thus BMW engineers don't say-

RAJU SIDE AIRBAGS HATA DETE HAIN, AAGE WAALO SE HE SCORE LE AAYEGI.

[ebonho]

Originally Posted by condor

On a lighter note, Zenmaster, you are not a designmaster

The White Harrier you have shown is looking more like a Baleno now. And the other variants, well, for those too. My Opinion.
The headlights on the production designs are fine.

But have to add, while looking at the pics you have shared, I feel there is not much differentiation in the looks of the two vehicles for Tata to have put in separate names, and that too Safari as one of the names. But may be Tata was having a tough time to get a good name. I will not agree with Tata on using the Safari name for the Gravitas. Even if I wasnt a Safari Storme owner.



I think the Safari Storme was still fine. LoF, 4x4 option, same engine & gb, almost same interiors, almost same looks but with small changes. With So Much 'Safari' in it, if the Safari Storme had been a given a new name other than Safari Storme, then that would have been a blunder too.

They should have named it Storme if they had decided to sell the original Safari side by side. Which they did.

Even the workshop guys call it universally as Storme. Very rarely you hear Safari Storme.

That was not fair to either the old Safari or the Storme.

Safe to say THE TRUCK is now dead.

Cheers, Doc

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by Lowflyer23

You are missing the point here, the fact is customers should have a car with both 6 airbags and a 5 star crash test rating. Even if a car gets 5 star rating with two airbags, it would always be better to have side and curtain airbags on the very same car in the event of a side impact.

Therefore GNCAP rating allows companies to sell their cars with less airbags and no ESP at par with cars that have 6 airbags and ESP - Imagine an Altroz with 2 airbags and no ESP gets GNCAP 5 , the same rating as Harrier with 6 airbags , ESP and a dozen other electronic safety aids.

Will they have the same protection during a crash? Nope.

Since you mentioned BMW, that poor thing will only get up to 5 stars in GNCAP having all the additional kit.

Isn't this a flawed system?

[adamkathy23]

Originally Posted by vigneshkumar31

My friend called the showroom today in Chennai to find when the display vehicle of Safari will be available for him to have a look. The SA told him that the new Safari is just an extended Harrier and he can come and have a look at the Harrier itself and its just 02 additional seats .

Kudos to the dealer for being honest. Regardless of how much the enthusiasts here hope and pray, we all knew Gravitas/Safari was just an extension of the Harrier. And that is not a bad thing really. Harrier is a new age product, good looking & Tata should focus their energies in making it as a successful product.

[Reinhard]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

Isn't this a flawed system?

Its not a flawed system IMO if the goals of the system are correctly looked at.

1. The system is to give a customer an assurance & benchmark value of MINIMUM safety capability of the car in standard variant - i.e. with standard safety equipment.
2. That is why, each car's variant with the STANDARD safety equipment is tested. Base model in most cars. It doesn't matter if the top variant of a Nexon gets tested - since the safety kit is identical from base to top variant.
3. If a car scores low in the crash test - the customer already has an idea that at lower cost, the safety is also being compromised for cost cutting.
4. If a car scores 5 stars with standard kit - the customer certainly has enough data available then, to look at the specifications of the higher variants. More kit on offer will guarantee that the same 5 star car will give even more protection in case of an unfortunate crash.
5. The NCAP testing criteria are clearly written without ambiguity. Car-makers are aware of them. So if they want to score good on paper - they should have all necessary kit as standard. Its not a fault of the NCAP if car makers skimp on those.

For example - if a Ford EcoSport scores 5 stars in a crash test with TREND variant, the customer can without doubt be assured that the S variant has far better safety credentials given the higher safety kit on offer.
Compare the Seltos, that got 3 stars. Now - that leaves the safety credentials of the higher trims open to guesswork. Fault is not NCAP's, its KIA's. Squarely.

A person with a driver's license & authorized to drive on the dangerous roads, should ideally be able to distinguish between the safety credentials of an Altroz with 5 stars and a BMW GT with 5 stars. Again, the safety rating is to give a minimum baseline result. Sorry, off topic!

[07CR]

Originally Posted by sidhu.algods

Only missing things are
1. 4WD/AWD, without this, there is no point in referring this 7 seater Harrier as New Safari!
2. Ventilated seats, at this price point there is nothing wrong in expecting this feature at least in top trims. Even 15 lakh Sonet offers this feature, which is a must have in this part of world.

Few more from my side-
3. 360 degree parking camera or atleast the front parking sensors. For a vehicle of this size, its absolutely necessary.
4. Wireless apple carplay/Android Auto. This is the future. TATA has been bashed left right centre, for always playing catch up to the competition.
5. LED headlamps on the high beam. The halogen reflector based high beam is below average for a 25L SUV.

The above mentioned one's coupled with the two mentioned by Sidhu, are sort of Segment Norms now. If not provided, TATA is back to playing catch-up and still won't capture the market share.

Originally Posted by Ashboyt

The 15 lac sonet has this feature because at heart it is a 7-8 lac car and these features are how they reach 15 lacs. Safety and engine spec wise(true cost) sonet is using cheat codes to cheat the public. If a 15 lac sonet is to be compared with a safari then appropriate price point would be a 45 lac safari.

I think engine POV, Sonet is definitely sorted. Yes they could improve in the safety aspect.

However, point is Tata is lacking in providing the segment norm features expected at this price point. For Instance, MG Hector and the upcoming XUV500 is very likely to get these expected features.
The safety quotient of both cars is also pretty good, atleast by their build quality till date. So why is Tata lacking?