[CARDEEP]

If it is priced well & manages to carve a market for itself like Hyundai did with Santro & i20, Toyota will be packing bags (even if Govt gives them special deal, which is highly improbable).

I sincerely hope this can help sober down the inflated ego of mighty "T'".

[LionX]

Originally Posted by 07CR

That's quite detailed one. Thanks. However some corrections-

Ambient light- Unlike MG, Ford doesn't get it in the rear, and across the dashboard.
Third row reclining seat- MG and Toyota offer it. Ford does not.
3 Zone AC. Only MG offers it, ford's brochure says 2 zone.
Heated ORVM- Ford gets it.
Rear Fog lamps- Toyota gets it.
Outside mirror logo projection- Basically puddle lamps. Ford gets it.
Warning lamps on door. Only Toyota gets it.

Third row reclining seat- MG and Toyota offer it. Ford does not. - Yes , but its power folding. Even MG doesn't offer it

3 Zone AC - Actually its 2 Zone. But 3 Zones per T-BHP review as the middle row temp can be controlled individually.

Heated ORVM- Ford gets it. - Not anymore as per sales advisor ( I asked him specifically when the vehicle brought it for test drive )

Rear Fog lamps- Toyota gets it.- Yes, It wasn't there when launched per T-BHP review. Looks like they added it later.

Outside mirror logo projection- Basically puddle lamps. Ford gets it. - Its not just puddle lamps, its the brand logo projection from puddle lamps- so only MG has it as of now.

[landcruiser123]

Seems stupid that the Super 'base' variant gets a manual AC. Even if it done to keep starting prices low, it is a stupid move as most Indians care about features.

Is there an option for a stick shift on any variant?

[WorkingGuru]

The Gloster is a Make-it-Or-Break-It for MG in India, if its trumps the Fortuner & Endeavour, it'd be a success & that would pave the way for MG as a mainstream Brand in the long term.

The fact that they're approaching the Govt with plans for additional investment is very confidence inspiring, especially as we know that FORD can exit any time and Toyota has never taken the Indian market seriously with its offerings.

Originally Posted by LionX

Just to make it easy for the members

Would be immensely helpful if the chart had "Yes" in Green and "No" in Red within the comparo.

[LionX]

Comparison against Fortuner

https://youtu.be/t7DfvWhRyHg

[sv97]

Originally Posted by LionX

Comparison against Fortuner

https://Youtu.be/t7DfvWhRyHg

The number of times he uses the phrase "Brings a smile on your face" clearly shows this is a paid review.

And also this is the first comparison video in which only exteriors are compared and after that no other comparison is done for ride quality, driving dynamics, comfort, interiors etc.

[vredesbyrd]

Originally Posted by LionX

Just to make it easy for the members

Going by the exhaustive list, the Gloster has already conquered the market as a package filled with lots of electronics and tons of bling. Anything with huge screens, mobile app connectivity, few automatic bits and bobs sells well (by the success of Seltos and Hector). The engine and specifications look solid as well (at least the 2WD version is proper RWD and not FWD). My biggest concern is the reliability of the electronics, say 5 years down the line. Sure, first-in-class levels of equipment. But then probably first-in-class repair bills as well. I hope Toyota can keep up because the Endeavour is perfect and doesn't need anything more at all (besides 360 camera). Seeing the feature list also makes me think that it is a surprise that the Fortuner is sold with headlights and wheels.

[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by ruzbehxyz

The Gloster has 7 modes with rock mode but no 4x4 low range. Very surprising, as even the 4x4 Scorpio use to get it.

It does have a low-range transfer case, which gets engaged automatically along with "Rock mode", which makes perfect sense IMO, as opposed to the Endeavour where the car tells you to engage 4x4 Low before you can switch to "Rock mode". Given that it is an electronically engaged low-range transfer case, what was preventing them from designing an auto-switch along with the "Rock mode"? Not sure if it can be engaged independently on the Gloster, though, akin to the Endeavour.

Originally Posted by arzala

Being a CKD, I don't think it will be cheaper than rivals T and F, unless MG decides to bear loss initially and start manufacturing here if response is good.

I do not see any reason for it to be priced lower than the Fortuner or the Endeavour, just because it is the new kid on the block. While I am not a fan of the brand in general, MG has gone all out in providing oodles of features and capabilities to customers, as opposed to the blue-eyed boys of the Indian full-size SUV segment - be it the lackluster attitude of Ford India in missing out on the bi-turbo engine for the BS-6 Endeavour or the audacious move by Toyota to skip the provision of rear differential lock in the Indian variant of the Fortuner! Not sure if an MG car would ever be on my list of contending buys, but I do hope to God that they jolt Toyota and Ford out of complacency so that they stop taking Indian customers for granted.

By the way, the car seems to be a very impressive blend of luxury and capability, going by the reviews so far. Of course, TBHP official review will be the ultimate litmus test.

[CEF_Beasts]

Originally Posted by LionX

Just to make it easy for the members

The Fortuner also gets LED tail-lights and rear fog-lights.

But an excellent comparison stating almost all features

[vigneshkumar31]

Among the competition, the Gloster looks truly above segment in terms of interiors.

Even with the fancy interiors and features loaded to the hilt, the bullet proof toyota reliability is hard to beat, and that's a strong pull for those plonking 40 big ones on a depreciating asset. The way the Fortuner holds its value over time has been a big reason for its success (and its victory despite Toyota's apathy to our market)

With the existing competition just launching expensive lipstick jobs with facelifts and 'Sports' editions to stay relevant, a new product should rock them out of bed. The Gloster, is just what we needed to stir up the premium D2 segment.

Price has to be realistically undercut and matched with a confidence inspiring warranty. If MG is confident about their mechanicals, let them share it with us and drop a warranty clause that matches its tall claims.

[anumod]

Originally Posted by vigneshkumar31

Among the competition, the Gloster looks truly above segment in terms of interiors.

Looks are subjective , but for me that camel beige color of seats and dash top don't get blend with overall color scheme of the interiors. Looks to me like an aftermarket fitment. It is standing out.

[clementj]

Originally Posted by landcruiser123

Seems stupid that the Super 'base' variant gets a manual AC. Even if it done to keep starting prices low, it is a stupid move as most Indians care about features.

Is there an option for a stick shift on any variant?

Its an all automatic variant line up for the Gloster.

The HVAC controls on the super variant in the MG model has the same layout but the buttons indicate that the climate control module is elementary vs the dual zone unit in the sharp variant.

But even in the super variant, rear passengers get HVAC controls, atleast as per the model selector tool. Not sure if its an error but this MG tool has great attention to detail in all cases. MG Gloster 3D Explore

[07CR]

Originally Posted by vigneshkumar31

Price has to be realistically undercut and matched with a confidence inspiring warranty. If MG is confident about their mechanicals, let them share it with us and drop a warranty clause that matches its tall claims.

They already offer a segment best 5 year warranty and 0 Labour costs for the first 5 paid services of the Hector. I expect them to offer the same on Gloster, if not better it!

[vigneshkumar31]

Originally Posted by 07CR

They already offer a segment best 5 year warranty and 0 Labour costs for the first 5 paid services of the Hector. I expect them to offer the same on Gloster, if not better it!

True. But the Hector never faced a double oval in its ring. And the compact SUV category is more dynamic and forgiving in terms of brand loyalty and has open its arms wide to new entrants. The segment is meaty with multiple players and good normalised margins for the makers. No wonder both Kia and MG chose this segment to enter with a bang.

The premium D2 full size 7 seater SUV scene is a different ball game altogether. It has been largely monopolised by the Big T. Even the Endeavour for all its value proposition, couldn't dethrone the Fortuner. Make no mistake, up here there is only one question you need to answer.

Originally Posted by vigneshkumar31

Once you are shopping here, the first and only question you need to answer seems to be 'Why not Fortuner?' And you better have a very good reason if your answer's in the negative. Positive buying and fuss-free ownership experiences from peers and solid resale to boot have made the Hilux based SUV, steadily reinforce its position of societal acceptance as the most acceptable way to write a cheque for 40 big ones without being frowned upon.

[GTO]

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