[zulfi hansi]

Originally Posted by DeKay

You can get a 330i for a pittance more than ₹40 lakh? Really? Where? Can you send me the contact details? It’s retailing for around 57 in Mumbai, even with discounts, I don’t see it anywhere close to 40.

When I said pittance more, I am not comparing apples to oranges. If you look at what a BMW 330i gives you in terms of value, which appeals to a driving enthusiast, someone like that will not pinch on 10-12 lakhs when he is spending 40 lakhs. Skoda knows this and that is why all this typical limited numbers marketing hype. "Buy it, before you don't get one!"

The G20 is going to be expensive since it is a fresh generation change car.

Unless BMW had curtailed the production of 330i, a serious buyer has got discounts of upto 8-12 lakhs on OTR price even on 320d here in Bangalore, on the previous version which is phased out recently (F30). Even that car is way ahead compared to the vRS.

With the cheque book in hand negotiations, discounts are pretty heavy. I remember a friend had bought a 320d Luxury 3 years back for 41 lakhs OTR, this is when F30 was in its prime.

Originally Posted by itwasntme

Even with the best of discounts, it is ~52L OTR in BLR without any BSI/BRI etc.

Also the reason I stated that, a hardly used (under 15k kms run car) examples are found around 35 lakhs, certainly a better value than spending 40 lakhs on vRS which is essentially built as a front wheel drive practical executive sedan, which is incidentally on steroids.

The BMW 330i with RWD and designed to be a fast and enjoyable sedan, which is incidentally practical also, is a far better deal.

[DeKay]

Originally Posted by zulfi hansi

When I said pittance more, I am not comparing apples to oranges. If you look at what a BMW 330i gives you in terms of value, which appeals to a driving enthusiast, someone like that will not pinch on 10-12 lakhs when he is spending 40 lakhs. Skoda knows this and that is why all this typical limited numbers marketing hype. "Buy it, before you don't get one!"

Even to someone willing to drop INR 40 Lakh on a car, spending 12 lakh (30%!) more, doesn't come as easily as you think.

And sure, limited numbers do make a LOT of sense not just from a business point of view but also to customers who want that special car that only 200 people in the entire country have. Driving them is an occasion, it helps you stand out and people love that.

There's a reason why Jag made the Project 8 XE and Porsche made the 911R limited. Countless more examples. These cars do offer something more that the die hard enthusiast is ready to pay a premium for. It's a win-win! Sure, someone as astute as you sees through it in an instant and scoffs at the idea of it, some don't!

Originally Posted by zulfi hansi

Also the reason I stated that, a hardly used (under 15k kms run car) examples are found around 35 lakhs, certainly a better value than spending 40 lakhs on vRS

Well, there's a reason why we have a thread on this forum titled ''So, why won't you buy a used car'' with 75% respondents saying they don't/won't buy used. To each their own, mate

Skoda knows there's a market for 200 RS245s, the customers are ready to spend that dough on an RS245, (I know a woman who owns an RS230 and has put money down on a 245) let the free market rule.

Besides, why aren't we happy about the fact that we're finally getting cars like the VRS here? If the market responds well to performance cars, it'll only get better for us as a car community, won't it?

[zulfi hansi]

Originally Posted by DeKay

To each their own, mate

Besides, why aren't we happy about the fact that we're finally getting cars like the VRS here? If the market responds well to performance cars, it'll only get better for us as a car community, won't it?

Precisely! to each their own. For me the value lies in the real thing and not show boats. And I don't mind going the used route or spend 20-30% more as is required. If you ask me will I spend 25-30 lakhs on a Polo GTI or 45-50 on a Mini Cooper S, I'd say GTI, now that is value because of the big difference in price and not so much difference in performance. But if you ask me will I really buy a brand new GTI for 30 lakhs? Well, NO. I'd go and buy a used Cooper S JCW for 35-40 lakhs, for me that is value, and the real thing. But then it's just me.

There is a market for everything and people buy what they like, and I have no judgment for anyone, it is silly. I am happy that we are getting cars like the VRS, but I am more happier because I have the option of BMW 330i.

[vj123]

Originally Posted by zulfi hansi

No wonder GTO did not even comment on this thread. First, the Octavia is going through a generation change this year. So this is a power flush by Skoda, just push the phasing out stuff at a royal price. Germans really know well how to hype up their cars, particularly the VW group. Second, why would I even consider it at 40+ lakhs, especially when I can get a 330i for pittance more, no comparison. Even if the 330i is fair-bit more, I would still consider a year old one but not the vRS.

Not everyone wants a vehicle from the German trio, especially when BMW have has moved far from their sporty history. As of now, they are more inclined towards appeasing the masses especially with their entry level vehicles and moved into number games. I dont prefer anyone else stepping into the driver seat of my vehicles regularly and would not consider buying a used vehicle if i am spending that kinda money. I used to own a B8.5 A4 and its expensive it is to maintain those vehicles when they are out of warranty.

I have had two current generation Golf GTIs in my garage which shared chassis and powertrain components with Octavia vRS. Amount of potential which VAG brings into this platform is immense. I bought my first MK7 GTI in 2016 and sold it in a couple if years as i wanted a bigger vehicle from the family. I missed the vehicle so much that i went in and bought a MK7.5 in a year. I bought a current generation knowing the fact that next generation will be out in the market next year. Working in the automotive industry (especially in automated driving), i prefer having lesser electronics in my vehicles and more comfortable buying a reliable vehicle with known (lesser) issues. Latest is not always the greatest.

[volkman10]

NEXT Gen Octavia RS likely to be launched in India, as a CBU not before end of 2021. Expect a 2022 launch.

[TusharK]

Skoda Octavia RS 245 to be launched at the 2020 Auto Expo

Skoda is planning to launch the Octavia RS 245 in India at the 2020 Auto Expo. The car will be imported as a completely built unit (CBU) and will be available in limited numbers.



The Octavia RS 245 is expected to get a gloss black grille with the vRS logo, smoked headlamps with integrated LED daytime running lights, 18-inch alloy wheels and sports suspension. On the inside, the car is likely to get a 9.2-inch touchscreen infotainment head-unit with navigation, ambient lighting and electrically adjustable seats with memory function.

The Octavia RS 245 is powered by a 2.0-litre, 4-cylinder, turbocharged petrol engine that produces 241 BHP @ 5,000-6,700 rpm and 370 Nm @ 1,600-4,300 rpm. The engine is paired with a 7-speed DSG dual-clutch transmission.

Link to Team-BHP News

[//M]

Originally Posted by TusharK

The engine is paired with a 7-speed DSG dual-clutch transmission.

How does the 7-speed DQ381 transmission fare in terms of reliability?

I am guessing it should be much better than the DQ200/DQ250 boxes as the DQ381 is an improvement over the DQ380, which in turn is derived from the DQ500 box that does duty in cars like the VW Tiguan.

[volkman10]

ŠKODA Octavia RS teaser,

[Joxster]

Originally Posted by //M

How does the 7-speed DQ381 transmission fare in terms of reliability?

I am guessing it should be much better than the DQ200/DQ250 boxes as the DQ381 is an improvement over the DQ380, which in turn is derived from the DQ500 box that does duty in cars like the VW Tiguan.

I own an Octavia RS 245, and as part of the configuration sheet, I noticed that it is the DQ380 transmission that is mentioned, so I believe that's the transmission in this car.

It's been a year since I got the car, and have no complaints about the reliability of the transmission so far.

Cheers

[volkman10]

Zac Hollis, Director - ŠKODA AUTO India presents the Octavia RS 245,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2M4evIQ_s

[avinash_clt]

Originally Posted by suhaas307

Well, to be honest I'm no expert on homologation either. But if I remember correctly, Skoda's reasoning for bringing the vRS via the CBU route was to avoid expenses they would have to incur towards homologation.
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I believe when RS230 was launched, there wasn't option for the manufacturer to skip homologation requirements even if it were a CBU (unlike the more expensive M or AMG models which had bigger displacement engines as well as a higher import price). So to keep it reasonably priced and considering a then unknown demand, they chose the CKD route (homologation cost offset by reduced duties).

Homologation exemption to CBUs (based simply on volume, and no longer limited to engine displacement / import price) I believe came afterwards. In that sense, considering end of product life for the model in its home markets, bringing these limited volume to a salivating market as CBUs makes perfect sense

Originally Posted by itwasntme

:reate this last remaining combo? Is it because the ~50 extra horses will be somewhat negated by the ~80 kg 4x4 weight thereby depreciating the vRS badge? I would have thought it would easily as fast as the FWD, because of the added traction from the Haldex sending upto 50% power to the rears.

As answered by others on this thread already, Golf R or an S3 was always faster, but GTI badged cars were more fun. Golf R, especially in its estate variant was positioned as a more practical and discreet performance car. A vRS petrol 4x4 would have cannibalized Golf R/S3 sales. Per unit, I would imagine VW/Audi equivalent models provide more profit.

Skoda whose brand instead revolves around practicality, roominess and being clever, provided 3.6FSI 4x4 or 2.0TSI 280PS 4x4 in the Superb, in both saloon/estate variants. However the Passat/CC always had slightly better performance numbers from the same powertrain.

Originally Posted by //M

How does the 7-speed DQ381 transmission fare in terms of reliability?
I am guessing it should be much better than the DQ200/DQ250 boxes as the DQ381 is an improvement over the DQ380, which in turn is derived from the DQ500 box that does duty in cars like the VW Tiguan.

My understanding is that DQ381/380 are essentially the same 7-speed wet clutch DSG intended for transverse engine applications. Only difference being DQ380 is the FWD version and DQ381 the AWD version (Note: Though I have seen during VCDS scans that FWD versions also read DQ381).

It is a little too early to comment on long-term reliability of these transmissions as they have been around only for 2.5 years roughly in all markets. General consensus is that it has similar or slightly better reliability level as DQ250 (which relatively is far more reliable than DQ200 dry clutch 7-speed).

On maintenance front, DQ250 requires an oil change every 4yrs/60,000km which has been increased to 120,000km for DQ380/381 (maintenance recommendation in Europe). We will have to wait and see if Skoda will recommend this drain interval for Indian market also and if the 4year period will stretch to 8years. Going forward, DQ250 will be phased out by DQ380/DQ381.

[volkman10]

ŠKODA confirms Octavia RS245 sale from April-20

[SnS_12]

Originally Posted by volkman10

ŠKODA confirms Octavia RS245 sale from April-20

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So these 200 units will be BS6 certified?

[itwasntme]

Originally Posted by SnS_12

So these 200 units will be BS6 certified?

These are CBUs imported under the 2500 unit exemption scheme and conform to Euro-6 (or higher), and hence do not need recertification under the BS-VI regime.

[newway]

I need help in making a decision. Have been thinking about going for RS 245 provided it comes within 35L on road in Bangalore. I have been using Vento TSI and TDI for last 7 years so familiar with VAG products. I am excited about the power of RS but not sure if it makes sense for a non rally guy. My monthly usage is around 1000 kms, 50:50 between city and highway. Highway trip will be with family so big boot space is a plus. I love driving powerful cars and started to feel 1.2 TSI is bit slow for liking. My plan was to welcome a BMW 3 series after couple of years but RS is so tempting. Please provide your thoughts.