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Old 9th January 2020, 14:53   #61
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Glad that i owned the 2.8 ZX AT before they discontinued it. Though an Innova is never an enthusiast's choice, the 2.8 power mode is like a beast unleashed.
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I have a question. Since all Crysta models will use SCR and DPF, why are the prices different for different variants? Shouldn't the BS6 upgrade cost be same across all variants? Has Toyota added extra features to charge more for higher models?
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Good point . It's called the royal Toyota rip-off. Toyota India has historically proven that they will extract the maximum $$$ possible out of every customer.
I think, it's also because the pricing adjustment for the automatic will be different from that of the manual.

For the automatic variants, there are 2 changes. Engine is downsized and BS6 introduced which translates to a lesser price hike
For the manual variants, there is only one change and that's BS6. Hence the price increase will be more.

the ex-showroom price difference between Touring Sport Petrol and Diesel for manual is 2.74 lakhs ( translates to 3.29L OTR ) whereas for the automatic, the price difference is only 2.04 ( translates to 2.45L OTR ) lakhs. There is an 85000 INR price difference between the change in price for Manual vs Automatic for the same variants.

PS: For easy calculation, I have used 20% buffer over the ex-showroom for OTR pricing.

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My Boss has recently taken delivery of 2.8ZX AT as his company provided car.
He had the option of getting the Fortuner but shrugged it off saying ‘too ostentatious’.

His previous vehicle was a Blue Jetta Highline that he used to love( and I did too), but post the warranty getting over the car gave him numerous problems( some trivial like getting into fender benders, etc , some real like repeated water pump failures, ABS sensors going kaput). Fingers crossed as my family also has the same vintage(2015) Jetta Comfortline and that has had no blemishes.
It was so bad for him that he used to be delayed to office every other week and blamed it on the car.

I was surprised that someone could go from such an enterprising to drive vehicle to a van that is not even gorgeous to look at, but one drive of his vehicle and now I know why!
The van is deceptively fast and beyond the ‘fast expressway speeds’ too the car has quite a bit of grunt left. Agreed that it cannot corner as well, and maybe it lacks so many intuitive features that a VW usually has but comfort is so very awesome and the fatigue that sets in longer drives is kept at bay for a longer time.

The only grouse is the very low fuel economy( he gets 7-8 ) in city usage.

However, this move of Toyota to let go of this version is so very prudent to have clear differentiation between the Fortuner AT and Crysta AT.


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Why should they? The Hyundai 2.0L engine doesn't come close to the Toyota's reliability. This is the whole problem of downsizing. The 2.8L engine with 170BHP was relaxed and not stressed out. Thereby achieving bullet proof reliability. The 2.8L will easily outlast the 2.0L Hyundai motor in the long run.

Infact the highlight is that they went for the larger engine which is good for a 7 seater as there will be minimal lag and better drive-ability.
When a premium SUV like the XC90 costing ₹ 1.25 cr can do with a 2.0L (D5) twin turbo set up why not an Innova Crysta or Fortuner? It can easily do it and it has the power train but not the inclination to get it here in India.
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When a premium SUV like the XC90 costing ₹ 1.25 cr can do with a 2.0L (D5) twin turbo set up why not an Innova Crysta or Fortuner? It can easily do it and it has the power train but not the inclination to get it here in India.
Twin Turbos are expensive. More maintenance. More expensive to repair/replace. That's against Toyota policy of keeping everything minimal. Hence a big diesel engine with a small turbo is ideal.
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Twin Turbos are expensive. More maintenance. More expensive to repair/replace. That's against Toyota policy of keeping everything minimal. Hence a big diesel engine with a small turbo is ideal.
As we go forward with these cleaner emissions this set up is going to be the norm so why not try it. The tech trickles from "top to bottom".
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As we go forward with these cleaner emissions this set up is going to be the norm so why not try it. The tech trickles from "top to bottom".
If the engines are clean without all the extra tech, then there's no need to increase the costs and complexity as it has no benefit to the company or to the consumer.
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When a premium SUV like the XC90 costing ₹ 1.25 cr can do with a 2.0L (D5) twin turbo set up why not an Innova Crysta or Fortuner? It can easily do it and it has the power train but not the inclination to get it here in India.
The Innova doesn't cost 1.25Cr and the purpose of an Innova and the Toyota brand is reliability. They are targeting 25-30L segment and not 1Cr customers. Not just price of car but price of tech.

Why can't electric cars be cheaper today? The correct line in this case is "If wishes were horses"

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As we go forward with these cleaner emissions this set up is going to be the norm so why not try it. The tech trickles from "top to bottom".
We are talking of Toyota. They are never in the forefront of technology. They bring tech that is reliable and proven as that is what their products stand for. For heavens sake they sell a 2.7L naturally aspirated engine for the Innova and 1.8L NA from decades back in the Corolla.

That said they are also not too keen on diesel tech and look more at their Hybrid technology to replace diesel. This will not happen in India as the Govt. is not interested in Hybrid and neither will be the customer. Main reason why you will not see a Corolla Hybrid in India.

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Toyota Innova Crysta 2020 2.8V AT



Crysta 1GDFTV or 2.8 with AT is still sold in Thailand but not in India. Is our market for 2.8 AT less than Thailand? What a shame!
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Toyota Innova Crysta 2020 2.8V AT

Crysta 1GDFTV or 2.8 with AT is still sold in Thailand but not in India. Is our market for 2.8 AT less than Thailand? What a shame!
Some good news for 2.8 lovers! Crysta will continue to be available with 2.8 in Touring Sport trim. Was at service center today and BS6 price list did have 2.8 Touring sport. That said, advisor wasn't 100% sure. The official brochure of touring sport continues have 2.8L variant as BS4 variant.

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Some good news for 2.8 lovers! Crysta will continue to be available with 2.8 in Touring Sport trim. Was at service center today and BS6 price list did have 2.8 Touring sport. That said, advisor wasn't 100% sure. The official brochure of touring sport continues have 2.8L variant as BS4 variant.
No, you can check on their site or even download the updated brochure. They have discontinued the 2.8 in touring sport aswell. Sad.
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Toyota Innova Crysta 2020 2.8V AT

Crysta 1GDFTV or 2.8 with AT is still sold in Thailand but not in India. Is our market for 2.8 AT less than Thailand? What a shame!
The 2.8 was exclusive for Phillipines and India, with Phillipines even getting a 2.8 5MT.

Didn't know Toyota started offering the 2.8 in Thailand too. If I am right, during the initial period, even the Fortuner had only the 2.4(guess it is even now in Indonesia)

Even the birth place of Innova; Indonesia had only 2.4 and 2.0 petrol versions.

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Some good news for 2.8 lovers! Crysta will continue to be available with 2.8 in Touring Sport trim. Was at service center today and BS6 price list did have 2.8 Touring sport. That said, advisor wasn't 100% sure. The official brochure of touring sport continues have 2.8L variant as BS4 variant.
Wish it was true.
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No, you can check on their site or even download the updated brochure. They have discontinued the 2.8 in touring sport aswell. Sad.
I just downloaded brochure and it does have 2.8 mentioned with BS4 tag. What has got me interested is, the price sheet had model code and updated pricing for 2.8. Bangalore OTR for 2.8 was 31.3lacs. With this Toyota should be able to differentiate Touring Sport from regular Crysta.
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I just downloaded brochure and it does have 2.8 mentioned with BS4 tag. What has got me interested is, the price sheet had model code and updated pricing for 2.8. Bangalore OTR for 2.8 was 31.3lacs. With this Toyota should be able to differentiate Touring Sport from regular Crysta.
Nope attached pricelist from toyota website. It clearly mentions 2.4 variants for touring sport in bangalore.
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Crysta 1GDFTV or 2.8 with AT is still sold in Thailand but not in India. Is our market for 2.8 AT less than Thailand? What a shame!

Thailand is not on Euro 6 yet.
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