[Surya-TJet]

While this is a nice move for meeting emissions easily; the real reason I feel that they have ditched the 2.2 / 3.2 diesel is because of one main reason:

Abysmal fuel economy that the car will deliver (worse than the current figures of BS4 vehicles) in our metro's colossal traffic jams.

In any metro city like Bengaluru / Delhi / Mumbai / Chennai etc - The average speed of traffic in the city is slowly but surely coming down year on year.

Big Diesel engines will not be suitable for driving in slow crawling speeds for hours together on a daily basis for 2 reasons:

1. Soot Build Up & subsequent clearing in BS6 is a big pain - Cubic capacity equals mass flow rate of exhaust gas at a given rpm for any engine. In BS6, the emissions are so restricted that the amount of black smoke (soot) generated at low rpm by big diesel engines is quite large. This is captured by a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) which has a limited capacity to hold the soot load. Under high engine load (and subsequent heat loads; this soot will burn itself away due to heat). But in city traffic conditions - The only way of clearing that soot deposit is to "burn" it off via a process known as "regeneration". This is done by injecting diesel into the exhaust down pipe (usually just a feet after the turbo). This is done in two methods - active & passive regeneration.

a) Passive Regeneration - Is done by parking a vehicle in a safe place and leave the engine running keeping the vehicle in neutral. Hit a deidcated switch on the dashboard, move away to a safe place wait. The ECU will raise the engine rpm and start injecting diesel into the exhaust pipe. This process usually takes around 20-30 mins; depending on the type of materials used in the exhaust after treatment system and the soot load in the DPF(extent to which it is clogged).

b) Active Regeneration - Done in passenger cars while driving (occupants including driver will not notice this; but excess fuel has to be burnt and will affect fuel economy; more so in city traffic conditions where the heat load for the engine will not be high enough to burn off the soot by itself.

2. This regeneration process reduces life of the exhaust after treatment system and will have to be replaced as a full unit to ensure vehicle runs smoothly while meeting emission norms as per OBD standards. Higher the cubic capacity of the engine; larger the mass flow rate and thus larger the size of the exhaust system (which will drive up vehicle price and replacement spares price). This is not suitable in a price-sensitive country like India.

Also, the way the NGT is doing theatrics in our country; if they impose a 2L diesel engine restriction cap across the country for a 10 year life time - All big cars will be doomed. To avoid this; this could be a far sighted policy decision by Ford & Mahindra.

Even the Isuzu has brought the 1.9L engine to the V-Cross and MU-X for BS6 is for this reason.

The poor fuel economy in Indian conditions is also the reason why Toyota has not launched the 2.8L BS6 variant in India.

While I am not absolutely certain on why - These reasons above seem logical from a business perspective and a technical stand point where cost is a priority over engineering prowess in our country.

[Tanveer_2558]

Bookings for the facelift 2 litre biturbo 10 Speed Tranny has started, Booking amount 50k or 1 lakh, Set to launch in February End, Delivery starts in 1st week of march, Pricing would come by February Mid.

[ru153]

Originally Posted by Tanveer_2558

Bookings for the facelift 2 litre biturbo 10 Speed Tranny has started, Booking amount 50k or 1 lakh, Set to launch in February End, Delivery starts in 1st week of march, Pricing would come by February Mid.

Hi Tanveer_2558, did you get any information about the fate of 3.2 post BS 6 implementation.

[Tanveer_2558]

Originally Posted by ru153

Hi Tanveer_2558, did you get any information about the fate of 3.2 post BS 6 implementation.

3.2 Will be discontinued,

New one will come only in the titanium variant,

4x2 and 4x4 only with 2 Litre Biturbo 10 Speed option.

[HotChillyPepper]

Originally Posted by Tanveer_2558

3.2 Will be discontinued,

New one will come only in the titanium variant,

4x2 and 4x4 only with 2 Litre Biturbo 10 Speed option.

Thanks for the details Tanveer.
Any info on Electronic Parking Brake inclusion ?

[Tanveer_2558]

Originally Posted by HotChillyPepper

Thanks for the details Tanveer.
Any info on Electronic Parking Brake inclusion ?

No such details man, However feature list will be updated, No new color option was said too, So probably only 3 color, Silver, White and black.

Lets see, Hope they get back the silly gear shifter light though

[imp!]

Originally Posted by Tanveer_2558

3.2 Will be discontinued,

New one will come only in the titanium variant,

4x2 and 4x4 only with 2 Litre Biturbo 10 Speed option.

I'd hoped to buy the 3.2 later this year, but now that won't happen. There is no replacing the refinement that comes with the displacement or an extra cylinder, 2 or 3 would be better. Mileage be damned. Sad news for Indian enthusiasts.

[LionX]

Originally Posted by Tanveer_2558

3.2 Will be discontinued,

New one will come only in the titanium variant,

4x2 and 4x4 only with 2 Litre Biturbo 10 Speed option.

4x2 in Single Turbo or Bi Turbo ? Colour options already updated on website - just 3 colours. Black, White & Diffused Silver.

[RemingtonSteele]

Originally Posted by Tanveer_2558

Bookings for the facelift 2 litre biturbo 10 Speed Tranny has started, Booking amount 50k or 1 lakh, Set to launch in February End, Delivery starts in 1st week of march, Pricing would come by February Mid.

Ford already increased Endeavour prices in 1st week of December 2019 by about 1.5 Lac on Titanium variant. With BS6 Prices are expected to remain same.

[dragracer567]

According to Autocar, the endeavour will only get the lower-powered 2.0 diesel engine with 170 bhp and 420 nm of torque (to compare, the current 3.2 ltr engine has almost 200 bhp and 470 nm). It will get Ford's (and GM's) 10-speed transmission though but not sure if it will make up for the lost power

[ruzbehxyz]

The bi-turbo may not make it to India.

Ford is ready to launch another SUV that has been upgraded to meet the more stringent BS6 emission norms, the Endeavour. We can now exclusively confirm that the BS6 Ford Endeavour will come with a 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbo-diesel engine, which will replace the existing 2.2-litre, four-cylinder unit, and the 3.2-litre, five-cylinder diesel engine.

The all-new, 2.0-litre turbo-diesel is internally known as the ‘Panther’, and in BS6 guise, will produce 170hp at 3,500rpm and 420Nm of torque between 1,750-2,250rpm. While the power figures for the new 2.0-litre diesel are notably lower than those of the 3.2-litre, five-cylinder Duratorq diesel (200hp, 470Nm), they are a clear step-up compared to the figures for the 2.2-litre, four-cylinder diesel it replaces (160hp, 385Nm). Helping the Panther diesel engine meet BS6 emission norms is a Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) exhaust after-treatment system that uses urea injection to help lower NOx emissions.

Another major addition is the arrival of a 10-speed automatic gearbox. Replacing the 6-speed automatic available on the BS4 Endeavour, the 10-speed auto ’box is an all-new unit that gives the Endeavour bragging rights as it is the only 10-speed automatic in the country today. Jeep recently introduced a 9-speed automatic on the Compass diesel; Honda offers a nine-speed automatic with the CR-V diesel and so do Land Rover and Mercedes-Benz on a number of its models, but the Endeavour one-ups them all with an additional gear. It is also a notable step-up on its rivals – the Toyota Fortuner comes with a 6-speed automatic, while the Isuzu MU-X gets a 5-speed auto.

Key highlights of this new transmission include real-time adaptive algorithms that let it skip gears when the driver’s in a hurry, as well as Progressive Range Selection, which lets the driver lock-out gears so the transmission doesn’t shift up when it isn’t required, such as when one is off-road. The Endeavour does not come with paddleshifters. Instead it gets a thumb-operated manual gear selector.

What the updated Ford Endeavour will also get is a mild redesign for the headlights and a faux vent on the fender that now just sports ‘Endeavour’ instead of denoting the engine capacity like it previously did.

In addition, the new Endeavour will also come with Ford’s new connected car tech known as Ford Pass. This allows users to lock and unlock the SUV, start the engine and even cool the cabin.

Source: https://www.autocarindia.com/car-new...ch-soon-415824

[GTO]

Damn. If anyone wants to buy the Endeavour, get the 3.2 NOW . It's a beautiful engine and totally suits the brute appeal of the butch SUV.

Only problem is some dealers don't have stock. A friend is talking to all the dealers in Mumbai.

The Endeavour 3.2 has been one of my all-time favourite SUVs. Whether it remains so with the new 2.0L diesel, only a drive will tell.

[RemingtonSteele]

Originally Posted by GTO

Damn. If anyone wants to buy the Endeavour, get the 3.2 NOW . It's a beautiful engine and totally suits the brute appeal of the butch SUV.

Only problem is some dealers don't have stock. A friend is talking to all the dealers in Mumbai.

The Endeavour 3.2 has been one of my all-time favourite SUVs. Whether it remains so with the new 2.0L diesel, only a drive will tell.

All stocks for 3.2 are gone, even the demo vehicles have been sold in Western region.

[VKumar]

Originally Posted by RemingtonSteele

All stocks for 3.2 are gone, even the demo vehicles have been sold in Western region.

Not just the West, most of the North also has similar situation. The news of engine discontinuation has worked well for two vehicles; Crysta 2.8 and Endy 3.2. BHPian A.G. told me about this one fine day that no stock is available; I thought of giving it a try or if I can find a decent deal on a demo car - no luck.

A few dealers have pre-facelift demo cars though, but they are just okayish maintained and the asking price is on a higher side.

[LionX]

Originally Posted by dragracer567

According to Autocar, the endeavour will only get the lower-powered 2.0 diesel engine with 170 bhp and 420 nm of torque (to compare, the current 3.2 ltr engine has almost 200 bhp and 470 nm). It will get Ford's (and GM's) 10-speed transmission though but not sure if it will make up for the lost power

Its 170PS (167 bhp) for the 2.0 Single Turbo Euro6/BS6 engine .

2.0 Ecoblue Engine is available in 2 stages of tune for Everest & Ranger in International markets. 180PS/420Nm Single Turbo (SiT) & 213 PS 500 Nm Biturbo (BiT).

It looks like Ford has to reduce the power figures for the single turbo engine to meet the Euro6/BS6 emission norms but the numbers remains the same for the BiTurbo Euro6/BS6 engine though.