[indian21r]

Originally Posted by 84.monsoon

For Harrier Auto that is assembling key parts from a mixed bag of various manufacturers, it will be all about cohesiveness, the art of integration and tuning.

So the handiwork and designs of 4 different companies are coming together in one car.

Don't see a real challenge here as every car is assembled from parts manufactured by multiple vendors.

Every car upon assembly has its own traits. Until driven for sometime, it is really difficult to comment on its behavior.

Harrier looks desirable with the panoramic Sunroof

[carenthusiast]

Originally Posted by AnandB

Any idea when the test drives start and first deliveries?

I had contacted a showroom near me for a test drive of the automatic BS6 version and they confirmed its availability within 2 weeks. I have also attached the brochure provided by them.

As per the brochure, below are the panoramic sunroof features for the Harrier BS6:
1. Global Close (Sunroof closes with ignition off)
2. Anti-Pinch
3. Rain Sensing closure
4. Rollover screen with black coating at glass side helps to dissipate heat
5. 3 Separate User- Friendly switches for each function – easy to use while driving
6. Dimensions- Length 1240mm X Width 870mm (widest in segment)

[DieselAddikt]

Originally Posted by 84.monsoon

The distinctive characteristics of each are different:

• Hyundai stands for comfort, low maintenance and lightweight parts.
• Land Rover stands for toughness, off-road credentials, built-to-last
• Fiat stands for style and engineering finesse
• TATA India stands for robustness, ease and low cost of maintenance (although maintenance will be high)

Now, these are like horses pulling the cart in slightly different angles. Will TATA have done a good job of integrating and synergizing these traits into a strong overall package that retains the individual strengths, or do these distinguishing factors neutralise each other and result in a watered down, “jack of various trades”? Only time will tell.

Well... All cars are an amalgamation of different parts produced by different vendors right ? Why is it just a concern about Harrier?

E.g. Some of the BMW engines are made by Force and the transmissions are made by ZF. And I know some electronics are from Siemens VDO. Now Force Motors in India is not exactly known for their brilliant product range, are they ? Nor are they known for great handling cars. But isn't the BMW different from all that?

For the C300 (cars assembled in Alabama), the engine is made by Nissan and used in both Infinity and Mercedes cars (from CLA to E Class in different tunes). But do they feel the same? No, they have their own characteristics. So isn't it OK to use transmission from Hyundai ? I think it shouldn't be a big deal. For the BS6 version, the only thing new is the Hyundai transmission (and the sunroof). The other parts were already in the car since launch and are performing satisfactorily ! Or do they have more mechanical changes that I am not aware of ?

[macbeth]

With the DEF freezing at temperatures below "-11" - does it mean that one cannot take the Harrier to Ladakh and other places which see temperatures fall below Zero?

Another query - with the particulate in BS4 diesels at 50 how does the engine get affected?

Regards.

[uday.ere]

Harrier BS6 intro by Vivek Srivatsa, Marketing Head at Tata Motors

https://youtu.be/sHlUDMdzFR8

[condor]

For folks who will be picking up the BS6 diesels - DEF is available at Reliance bunks @1000 for 20L.

[drift2race]

I have two queries which have remain unanswered for me even after visiting the Auto Expo 2020 at Greater Noida regarding the BS6 AT Harrier variant ,
1. Where are the rear disc brakes ?
2. Is Harrier still relying on a hydraulically assisted power steering setup or Tata has upgraded it to an EPS ?

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by drift2race

I have two queries which have remain unanswered for me even after visiting the Auto Expo 2020 at Greater Noida regarding the BS6 AT Harrier variant ,
1. Where are the rear disc brakes ?
2. Is Harrier still relying on a hydraulically assisted power steering setup or Tata has upgraded it to an EPS ?

It was still drum brakes. The Gravitas had rear discs.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...ml#post4746163 (Tata Motors @ Auto Expo 2020)

Going by the pictures above it was hydraulic power steering.

[drift2race]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

It was still drum brakes. The Gravitas had rear discs.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...ml#post4746163 (Tata Motors @ Auto Expo 2020)

Going by the pictures above it was hydraulic power steering.

It still baffles my mind as to why Tata motors didn't address these key issues . Harrier has had breaking issues with a 140 bhp engine just think what the breaking performance would be with a 30 bhp increase and rear drum brakes .

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by drift2race

It still baffles my mind as to why Tata motors didn't address these key issues . Harrier has had breaking issues with a 140 bhp engine just think what the breaking performance would be with a 30 bhp increase and rear drum brakes .

What are these braking issues? We didn't find anything wrong with the braking and even the 3 cars we got for review, did not have any braking issues.

Drums or discs at the rear don't have a huge impact on braking cause it's the front that does all the work. If the braking is calibrated well, even drums will be fine.

Discs are better for long term wear as well as run cooler than drums. This is fine for high end cars and performance oriented but hardly any difference in road cars.

The Innova has rear drums as well. Rear drums are more for cost than braking ability. If you find the braking weak, it's the front as that usually does 80-90% of the braking.

[drift2race]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

What are these braking issues? We didn't find anything wrong with the braking and even the 3 cars we got for review, did not have any braking issues.

Drums or discs at the rear don't have a huge impact on braking cause it's the front that does all the work. If the braking is calibrated well, even drums will be fine.

Discs are better for long term wear as well as run cooler than drums. This is fine for high end cars and performance oriented but hardly any difference in road cars.

The Innova has rear drums as well. Rear drums are more for cost than braking ability. If you find the braking weak, it's the front as that usually does 80-90% of the braking.

This issue exists in my friends car which is mar 19 manufactured however if you say that discs are ok in Harrier which now is a much powerful car than before . While discs all around would have been much better just like Electronic power steering but it seems the usual consensus isn't what i like for a 20 lakh car .

[carenthusiast]

Originally Posted by drift2race

While discs all around would have been much better just like Electronic power steering but it seems the usual consensus isn't what i like for a 20 lakh car .

I have exactly the same view point as I felt the steering heavy at parking speeds compared to the ones with EPS. At 25.5 Lakhs on the road Bengaluru, I do expect the car to have super light controls. Anyway, these are just minor niggles for otherwise a tough SUV.

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by drift2race

This issue exists in my friends car which is mar 19 manufactured however if you say that discs are ok in Harrier which now is a much powerful car than before . While discs all around would have been much better just like Electronic power steering but it seems the usual consensus isn't what i like for a 20 lakh car .

Better get this checked. The discs vs drums should not impact braking so much. Try another Harrier and see if that is different.

I remember the i20 had disc brakes at the back one variant and the braking of the discs wasn't as good as the one with drums.

Originally Posted by carenthusiast

I have exactly the same view point as I felt the steering heavy at parking speeds compared to the ones with EPS. At 25.5 Lakhs on the road Bengaluru, I do expect the car to have super light controls. Anyway, these are just minor niggles for otherwise a tough SUV.

Surprised to read this. Almost all the purists want hydraulic power steering with some weight to it.

The superlight steering steering with no feedback and feel is usually the trait for Hyundai EPS units which many hate for that reason.

EPS systems are intentionally made heavy to provide more feel and feedback especially in larger and heavier cars. Moreover manufacturers try to tune EPS to match hydraulic systems because they are so superior in driving feel.

[carenthusiast]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

Surprised to read this. Almost all the purists want hydraulic power steering with some weight to it.

The superlight steering steering with no feedback and feel is usually the trait for Hyundai EPS units which many hate for that reason.

EPS systems are intentionally made heavy to provide more feel and feedback especially in larger and heavier cars. Moreover manufacturers try to tune EPS to match hydraulic systems because they are so superior in driving feel.

Yes you are right that it gives you more feedback and is lot of fun on the open roads , but most of my runs are in notorious Bengaluru traffic and manoeuvring through them puts in some stress after a hectic day.

[drift2race]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

Better get this checked. The discs vs drums should not impact braking so much. Try another Harrier and see if that is different.

I remember the i20 had disc brakes at the back one variant and the braking of the discs wasn't as good as the one with drums.



Surprised to read this. Almost all the purists want hydraulic power steering with some weight to it.

The superlight steering steering with no feedback and feel is usually the trait for Hyundai EPS units which many hate for that reason.

EPS systems are intentionally made heavy to provide more feel and feedback especially in larger and heavier cars. Moreover manufacturers try to tune EPS to match hydraulic systems because they are so superior in driving feel.

I agree with you regarding Hyundai EPS as the steering feel is almost non existent & that results in less confidence on road (This issue exists in my Venue DCT) however a big car like Harrier needs EPS to improve in city handling and ease parking woes . Just a food for thought can we fit the disc brakes on Harrier from Gravitas when launched ?