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Old 20th March 2021, 11:41   #136
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Partnerships - Though I would like to believe so, and all sources point out to the new family of Mahindra engines as developed in-house with help of AVL, it's too much of a coincidence that Ssangyong had engines of the same type. Not to belittle Mahindra's technical prowess in anyway and I would love to be wrong in this one, but...
They could very well tweak the Harrier with some front clip modifications and some tweaks in the rear end and sell it as a Sierra, same drivetrain would work just fine.

AVL is the collaborator for many brands. From our forum archives you will learn that both mHawk and Dicor 2.2 are developed in collaboration with AVL. The specs were based on a Peugeot design and each manufacturer has made it differently from there on. Many of their older engines too were based on Peugeot as well but of course built differently.

Mahindra developed a FWD drive train with the first 6 speed manual gearbox in India for XUV, as well as an all new unibody. So they have more flexibility in terms of how the engine can be used however - they have 0 presence where all the action is, the volume sellers are simply not there. Given their UV roots and solid Drive train line ups, Mahindra has missed the opportunity to release smaller crossovers.
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Old 20th March 2021, 11:50   #137
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Sorry if this sounds a bit strange, but why can't they just downsize the LR engines to be used in their bigger products like the Safari? They managed to modify an LR platform enough to be able to be used in their higher range products, can't they do the same with some of their powertrains
Already said above. Ofcourse, they don't even have to downsize. Just take out the expensive tech from the engines. Especially since JLR is looking to go full electric (or electrify) within five years, Tata could very well use the Ingenium range for their products. Just value engineer it to cut costs.
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Ofcourse, there is always the possibility of Tata doing a D8->Omega with the engines and using the Ingenium engines in a lower spec version. Everything from i3 to i6, 1.5l to 3.0l and in between. Fingers crossed.
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Also, I don't understand how they developed a platform without taking into account a good medium size diesel that they already have, the 2.2 Varicor 400.
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God knows, rather Tata knows the truth. It's been said the Fiat engine was selected pretty late into the development period of the Harrier.

Its definitely not the engine layout or packaging constraints. Mahindra could easily put the longitudinal mounted engine from the Scorpio into the transverse mounted XUV500. Tata too has put the 2.2 Dicor in the FWD Winger (though its longitudinal mounted I guess from sight). Maybe some calculations at that time deemed it cheaper to use the Fiat 2.0 MJD. The same thoughts that killed off their BoF products.

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They could very well tweak the Harrier with some front clip modifications and some tweaks in the rear end and sell it as a Sierra, same drivetrain would work just fine.
Most probably that's what could happen if they bring the Sierra concept to reality. Or be lazy and brand the Blackbird project with some tweaks.

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AVL is the collaborator for many brands. From our forum archives you will learn that both mHawk and Dicor 2.2 are developed..
The specs were based on a Peugeot design and each manufacturer has made it differently from there on.
Yes, most of Tata's and Mahindra's old engines are rumoured to have PSA background or inspirations. But in the 2.2l AVL collaboration, have to agree that Mahindra did a fair better job in tuning, both engine performance as well as long term reliability. Tata almost got there, but then they pulled the plug on it.

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So they have more flexibility in terms of how the engine can be used however - they have 0 presence where all the action is, the volume sellers are simply not there. Given their UV roots and solid Drive train line ups, Mahindra has missed the opportunity to release smaller crossovers.
True.

They have all the engines lined up, but not the models. They have everything at their disposal to go against the Creta/Seltos with their XUV400 project, which has to wait till the XUV500/Scorpio launches are over. Not to say they have to reposition the XUV300 and replace the %@&# KUV100 with a far better deserving model.

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