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| ![]() There's a reason why about 1,800 people buy the most expensive car in the segment with the least amount of space and features that's a decade old every month. It's that engine+gearbox+build quality that no other car in its segment can offer. VW might want to do a Kia here and offer two different gearbox+engine variants like in the Seltos. |
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It is only for the current products ( Polo/Vento/Rapid) the DCT will be elusive and only offered in MT and 6AT configurations. Link | ||||
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| ![]() Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this a global replacement? Hasn't VAG already stopped selling its 1.8 TSI engines and replaced with 2.0 TSI globally? Same with 1.0 TSI replacing 1.2 TSI and 1.5 TSI replacing 1.6 TDI diesels. I don't think this is restricted to India alone. VAG group as a whole are moving to "cleaner" and more fuel efficient engines. Yes, while DSG will be given a miss in the lower end of the group's offerings, it should still be offered in the higher segments. So essentially, DQ200 has been done away with. |
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Taigun - Trendline & Comfortline - 1.0 TSI with a TC AT Taigun - Highline & Highline + - 1.5 TSI with the DSG I would surely love to have a conventional AT with all Bells and whistles on a VW. The biggest deterrent for many is the dubious service experience! | |
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| ![]() Would be interesting to see how their Marketing team would get the message out in public. BHPians and other enthusiasts who are actively following automotive news will be aware of such changes. But the general buyers who have been exposed to negative reviews of DSG Box through numerous social media portals, might need a lot more of targeted communication to get interested in VAG cars again. Also they should be very clear if this will have a positive impact on service costs. |
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| ![]() Prebook for the latest edition of "How to Kill a Brand" by VW/Audi/Skoda. Some of the nuggets from this book are 1. Make sure the Indian version is substandard 2. Price at premium for the features offered. 3. Make sure ASS is really PIA 4. Remove premium features from the already less selling cars and make sure there is no differentiator with the best selling ones in India. 5. Close the product in India and blame the Indians. Pro Tip: Cheat globally on emissions and act innocent when caught. |
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| ![]() Oh well. You loose something great (dsg) versus a big gain on reliability (TC). I guess the latter is what most would prefer. On choice of engines, I believe they are making a mistake with a 1l Tsi in a Vento. I drove the 1l Polo Tsi. It is hands down the best little 3 pot Turbo out there. That said, it just about it cuts it for driving experience. The same engine in a heavier, pricier, dated Vento sedan won't go down well with customers. It is not a patch to the refinement and excellent NVH of the 1.2 Tsi motor, which is why we all bought the GT and Vento Tsi. Last edited by sandeepmohan : 10th February 2020 at 11:36. |
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| ![]() So the net change in a Polo GT TSI is + More power, at least on paper (might be offset by the less efficient Torque Converter) More reliable gearbox Better fuel efficiency because of a smaller engine (probably will be offset by the less efficient Torque Converter) TSI Manual option - One less cylinder Smaller engine More vibrations and noise Slower gearbox Sounds like a bad deal for enthusiasts but a good one for regular buyers. But then, not many regular buyers purchase a Volkswagen. One thing is clear: The newer Polo GT TSI AT won't be sold at a price much less than the current model. Remember how Volkswagen pocketed all the tax benefit of moving from the Polo 1.6 TDI to the Polo 1.5 TDI and kept the price the same? All these cost cuttings are to increase margin, not to reduce price and increase sales volumes. --- VAG group used to be the best option for enthusiasts in the B2(Polo), C2(Vento/Rapid) and D1(Octavia, and previously Jetta) segment. Sadly, the VAG group cars are now knowingly dropping from their Zenith. Too much love for the environment kills performance. We'll now have to wait 4-6 years for electric cars to mature to get good enthusiast cars in those segments. |
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But yes, if I am going to buy a used VAG car, I won't buy something which has the DSG. I have once seen three cars altogether enjoying a leisure 'one month waiting' at service station; all three were there for the DSG. Give me 5 hp lesser and 0-100 in 12 seconds, but the thing should last a few years. I don't want a one night stand with an awesome gearbox; which will later frustrate me to sell it off within an year or two of ownership. I frequently travel inter state and undertake a lot of full night drives, anything whose reliability can be questioned is a big NO for me. | |
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| ![]() Quite a surprising move,that one...that makes Hyundai/Kia the only mainstream manufacturer offering DCTs... although I think, with multiple reports of heating issues with the Venue and Seltos coming up, they're going to follow suit as well. I'm glad they chose the good old torque converter instead of CVT. Sure, they're gas guzzlers, but with appropriate tuning, they can be faster and as smoother if not more, than a DSG. The rubber band effect of CVTs is just diabolical. Not worth the smoothness over the AMT. So, this does mean that VW does not intend to axe these decade old cars, renewing them for BS6 and all. They're gonna be here for the next decade too probably, while everyone else gets to drive the new generation! Also, this could be a test bed for the 1.0 TSI, that would power the lesser variants of the Taigun, although how the 3-cylinder engine is gonna face the superior 1.4 GDI and the popular 1.5 diesel of the Seltos is beyond me. |
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If this happens then i20 with Turbo engine would become the favourite choice for any enthusiast. It will get the Venue's DCT transmission and engine. In any case, I think that would be the outcome as i20 will come with new features that Polo will definitely be lacking. In the end, who would you like to be in business with? A company who treats India as dumping ground for their old and discarded products OR a company who has time again come up with India specific products and treat customer with respect. | |
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