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Old 8th December 2020, 22:05   #181
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Pity to see such bad ethics when they sold the national diesel engine all these years.

While diesel price increase is not overnight, their switch has been overnight from April1st 2020.

So the calculation holds good only from April 2020 and not on March 2020

What wonders and feel really hard is how customers could buy the same when the torque does not match.

Coming to Brezza example, if people need petrol like smoothness how did it perform well all years, if people need diesel torque how is it performing now with petrol only that too with mediocre torque.

So is it just the Maruti brand which sells and does not care for the engine? Or their petrol engines are advanced now to give the same diesel like FE. Not able to understand the business
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Old 8th December 2020, 23:20   #182
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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR View Post
And that's how the cookie crumbles -

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PS: Surely a software error, I know.
Hahaha, that made me laugh.
I think Maruti has given strict guidelines to the developers that the outcome should always be, 'Petrol is the right choice!'

They should similarly do a safety calculator as well:

'RESULT

If you buy a safer car you will pay an additional Rs 10,000.

Is life worth soo much to you? You can not recover the additional amount that you pay for a safer car.

Maruti's Zero star car IS THE RIGHT CHOICE
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So is it just the Maruti brand which sells and does not care for the engine? Or their petrol engines are advanced now to give the same diesel like FE. Not able to understand the business
When I bought a diesel car 10 years ago, diesel was priced at Rs32/L in my city and petrol at Rs55/L or so. Difference in petrol vs diesel variant was Rs45000 (Fiat Punto). FE of petrol punto was substantially low and it made sense to go for a diesel.

For most Marutis, 1.2 petrol gives good FE (around 14kmpl in city as per my friends). My diesel punto used to give 15-17kmpl in the same city). So diesel does not make sense to some extent after BS6 except in cases of Kia Hyundai where some cars have no price difference between petrol and diesel variants (Venue, Sonet etc.). Post BS6, diesel cars are made for those who have high running and also frequent the highways (there are quite a few DPF clogging, check engine light errors reported on the forum otherwise).

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Several News Reports coming in today mentioning Maruti Suzuki go relaunch Brezza and Ertiga with Diesel engine next year.

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If one buys a Kia Sonet, this math put out by Maruti goes haywire. Sonet 1.0 turbo and the diesel cost almost the same. So, purely on financial calculation, it is better to go for diesel powered model.

I guess Maruti is speaking for its line of products only.
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I drive a 2015 VW Vento which has a 1.5 litre turbocharged diesel engine. Although I don't remember exactly now but I believe I paid a premium of ₹1.5L for the diesel engine. At the time, I had a commute of approx. 80 kms per workday.

Recently, 6 years and 112,500 kms later, I came across this post. According to India's largest car manufacturer, I still have 150,000 kms left to recover the premium I paid for my diesel car. I don't think so.

I prepare financial models for a living, so I know how numbers can be massaged to prove any point. But how do you calculate the payback for a diesel engine. I don't know about Maruti's model; this is how I would calculate the payback for a diesel engine:

(on Jan 19, 2020, Delhi)
Cost of petrol: ₹85.20 per litre
Cost of diesel: ₹75.38 per litre

Mileage of petrol Vento: 12 kmpl (quoted mileage from a petrol Vento user)
Mileage of diesel Vento: 18 kmpl (from my personal experience)
Driving cost of petrol: ₹7.1 per km
Driving cost of diesel: ₹4.2 per km

Diesel saving per km = ₹2.9

Payback period: 150,000 / 2.9 ≈ 51,750 kms

But there's interest cost involved in the ₹1.5L premium I paid at the time of buying the car. Assuming a rate of interest of 9% p.a. for auto loan, the saving of ₹2.9 would reduce by 9%.

Year 1 savings = ₹2.9 per km
Year 2 savings = ₹2.7 per km
Year 3 savings = ₹2.4 per km
Year 4 savings = ₹2.2 per km
Year 5 savings = ₹2.1 per km
Year 6 savings = ₹1.9 per km

Assuming I drive approx. 20,000 kms per year. My annual savings would be:

Year 1: 20,000 x ₹2.9 = ₹58,000
Year 2: 20,000 x ₹2.7 = ₹54,000, cumulative = ₹112,000
Year 3: 20,000 x ₹2.4 = ₹48,000, cumulative = ₹160,000 (cumulative ₹150,000 at 15,850 kms)

Hence, at today's fuel prices, I would recover my premium at 55,850 kms.


The fuel price difference, and the saving per km driven, was greater when I had bought the car in 2015 and personally, I recovered the premium between 30,000 and 40,000 kms.

Finally, a disclaimer: people say diesel cars cost more to maintain but I have not experienced any diesel exclusive expense in the last 6 years. A complete history of my maintenance expenses is listed in this post (Volkswagen Vento : Test Drive & Review). If there is any diesel exclusive expense, I would argue that it's counteracted by longer range and torque of a diesel engine.
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