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Originally Posted by romeomidhun This thought is the beginning of end of democracy. Fascist decisions have been reverted many times in the history of human kind for good. As a strong believer in democracy, I am sure this fascism won't last long.
Let's not have this insane word inflation please. If you knew what a fascist govt was, you would not be throwing around such words like confetti.
For a start, the closest such govt in the mainstream in the world today is China, try making the same comment on any social media forum there and at best it will be taken down instantly, at worst you will "disappear".
A functioning, robust Democracy (the only one in this entire region per the Economist EIU) is not even in the same ballpark as a fascist govt.
Just because the govt takes decisions you don't like, doesn't make it a fascist govt.
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Originally Posted by The Rationalist Price of Petrol, Diesel in neighbouring countries in Indian rupees
Pakistan : 34, 37
China: 63, 54
Srilanka: 66, 42
Nepal: 60, 53
Bhutan: 49, 46
Myanmar: 36, 32
If Dollar has appreciated that should affect these countries also, isn’t it? You can wake up someone who is asleep, but not the one pretending to! In this banana republic of blind followers nothing will change. |
Let's look at data, this forum when it comes to vehicles is very data focussed so let's stick to data.
All these states except China have far greater fiscal deficits, Pakistani Economy is so stressed that they need IMF bail outs every 3-4 years, with free handouts from the petro states and China every other year.
70% of the Pakistani budget is taken up by defense spending and servicing of debt.
Reducing prices is a very easy thing to do, but reducing prices is a counterintuitive but logical thing to do to mop up revenues which are lost from other streams.
Your arguing that India is a banana republic but SL, Myanmar, B'desh, China are not, purely on the basis of fuel prices is a spectacularly myopic thing to do.
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Originally Posted by extreme_torque I am not sure but some people on the thread are suggesting that government somehow is the victim in all this as they try to shore up the economy in these tough times, the same government which has ordered jumbo jets worth 10,000 crores for VIP travel and is spending upwards of 20,000 crores on the Delhi central vista project. Needless expenses in a dire economy to be honest and we need to call their hypocrisy rather than defend them unto last breath. |
These costs are amortized in years. Let's look at data again,
Annual revenue mop up from increased duties - 1.6l crores
The Central Vista project (which is needed for any expansion of our parliament and 500+ is too all an MP base by any yardstick) is 20k over 5 years, so 5k / year
Are you even looking at the scale of comparison? I guess if the govt reduced prices by 2 paise to account for the central vista project you will be happy?
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Originally Posted by Malyaj I think the human race has forgotten how to have debates without insults, innuendos, sarcasm, put downs and condescension. I don't know if the shrill debates on TV world over are a reflection of us or a cause of our behaviour. I am occasionally guilty of this behaviour myself |
Exactly and also increasingly, extreme hyperbole and Fear Uncertainty and Doubt mongering.
Let's look at overall data from the last census
20% of our population walks to work daily
13% of our population takes a cycle
Combined 33% don't have any need for fossil fuels and these are our poorest sections
30% though report no commute needed (maybe they work out of the same Farm or office?)
Essentially a fuel price rise, esp on Petrol barely even touched 66% of our population.
Now those who do take motor vehicles,
13% two wheelers
2.7% personal cars / cabs
The rest take public transportation where hikes aren't passed on in proportion.
To all those crying crocodile tears about the poor and migrants and farmers,
Of the $300bn (approx) budget,
7% goes to ministry of Agriculture
6% goes to rural development
4% to fisheries and fisherman welfare
5% specifically to poor child nutrition and poor women health care
8% to SC / ST / Tribal welfare
5% to Mnrega
So directly we are talking about 35% directly to the poorest of the poor.
This leaves out things like Jal Jeevan (only you, we the rich and elite have access to piped water! The poor don't, spare a thought for them will you?) Which has another 10% allocated to it this year
This excludes the massive $1tn infra plan, all those smooth roads we drive on? Yeah that's right, it needs money to build, tolls notwithstanding.
My simple position is as follows, if you ever feel for the poor (80% of the country) and middle class (15%), then you will support this fuel price rise.
If you think you are the poor and middle class, just by virtue of owning a car you are not, esp if your car is above 15l inr which straight away puts you in the .5% income bracket.
You can't argue for the poor but turn around and say you think the fuel price rise is Fascist.
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Originally Posted by romeomidhun This is a very-well moderated forum. Just because your view is contradicted by the majority, or others' view is supported by the majority, that doesn't mean that the people are ganging against you. That freedom is there in the constitution. If your thought is against the govt or some people, that doesn't mean that people are ganging against the govt or it is against the interests of the nation. |
Irony is you argue the govt is Fascist, and then turn around and argue that it is a Constitutional set up.
You can't have both my friend, it is an either or proposition.
And in the same vein, if someone supports the govt, it doesn't mean they are a fascist bhakth or whatever but the same freedom of expression enshrined to you in the constitution applies to us.
So if you want a reasoned debate, let's stop with the hyperbole and fearmongering.
First drop this "Fascist" rhetoric just because the govt is not something you support, it demeans and cheapens our whole country.
I personally might have not supported previous govts but not once ever have I said stuff like "not my PM, not my govt or fascist govt". Like it or not, it is my govt, my PM, my country.
At the end of the day, respect the electoral verdict. To go against it is the very definition of fascism