[CEF_Beasts]

Diesel gets Eco, Normal and Sport modes which not only alter engine characteristics but also the weight of the steering wheel.

Petrol continues with Eco and Power mode, no Normal and doesn’t have the new power steering.

[On the Move]

I stand corrected. The MT also receives the power bump to 204 PS. Should get better in driving, with the new sports mode and the changes to the power steering. Had they updated torque figures to 500 Nm, a MT would have been a hoot to drive.

[Venkatesh]

Toyota Fortuner facelift comparison to its rivals on the price graph.



Source : Autocar India

[On the Move]

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

Diesel gets Eco, Normal and Sport modes which not only alter engine characteristics but also the weight of the steering wheel.

Petrol continues with Eco and Power mode, no Normal and doesn’t have the new power steering.

Would be interesting to see how different is the new SPORTS mode over the existing POWER mode. The existing POWER mode puts a big smile across your face.

I guess even without separate buttons, the current avatar also has the ECO, POWER and NORMAL (when neither ECO or POWER mode is selected).

[Zinda]

That pricing is disappointing. Toyota is getting greedy here - knowing there is no worthy competition in 40L price point, and they increased the bar to 50L. Alturas G4, 3.2L Endeavour and Diesel Kodiaq's discontinuation further helped Toyota in this monopoly.

Personally, I am looking at Mahindra to get 70% Fortuner at 50% price (new XUV500)

[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by DonHyd

I am surprised how one derives the worth of a car and label it as overpriced or well priced. Yesterday almost everyone felt that A4 was well priced and today everyone is feeling Fortuner is overpriced. And yet the top variant of the fortuner undercuts A4 by a good sum.

This is an apple to orange comparison! Toyota is not a premium brand by any means, as opposed to Audi which is, their dismal performance in India notwithstanding.

Please see the pricing and positioning of Fortuner in other markets (Australia, South Africa, Saudi, etc) vs. India - we are being sold the Fortuner at the price of a Prado!!

Fortuner is lot more spacious and can seat more people if that matters

So is the Force Traveller

Originally Posted by On the Move

Had they updated torque figures to 500 Nm, a MT would have been a hoot to drive.

Not possible, for the same reason as pre-facelift MT being capped at 420 NM.

Originally Posted by Venkatesh

Toyota Fortuner facelift comparison to its rivals on the price graph

Endeavour prices are outdated. These were revised earlier today, wherein all variants except the base one were made dearer by INR 35,000

Mods - apologies for back to back posts. Please merge.

[Shreyxas]

Feeling sad for the owners who bought the Fortuner a year ago (including myself) who have to pay the bills for another 5 years ....life can be tough sometimes , but i'll have to live with the fact that I missed out on a refreshed model by one year. Definitely not my day today

[Turbanator]

Toyota has played to its strengths. They are aware of the demand in the market and given the limited production they have, it makes sense to maximize profits. Many manufacturers are doing similarly. And to be fair, input costs have increased too.

We can crib about the increase in prices our higher rates/ taxes but I am sure Toyota will be booked full to their capacities for a while. I like the fact that this time, Toyota has not skimmed on the features and given us almost everything that they offer elsewhere on Fortuner. My only grudge is that we should have got the 4x4 in Petrol too and there should be a 4x4 variant model based on the legend.

[DonHyd]

Originally Posted by cool_dube

This is an apple to orange comparison! Toyota is not a premium brand by any means, as opposed to Audi which is, their dismal performance in India notwithstanding.

Please see the pricing and positioning of Fortuner in other markets (Australia, South Africa, Saudi, etc) vs. India - we are being sold the Fortuner at the price of a Prado!!



So is the Force Traveller

But how does a brand become premium? By offering superior products or just by having expensive products? I am an admirer of better engineering whether it comes from Germany or Japan or S.Korea. And I like A4 for many good things that it is. But still not convinced enough on A4 being head and shoulders above Fortuner as a product overall. Each country has its own requirements and preferences. Pricing in one country cannot be used as a reference to pricing in another country. We cannot force Toyota to sell Prado here for under 50 lakhs. And the Prado is not vastly superior to Fortuner anyway. So, we aren't missing much.

[ValarMorghulis]

Originally Posted by Venkatesh

Toyota Fortuner facelift comparison to its rivals on the price graph.

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Source : Autocar India

As someone totally unaware of this segment, can someone please explain why isn't Mahindra Alturas G4 selling like hot cakes, considering it has the lowest price for even 4WD AT? Bad built? Not good enough brand image? Poor service/ reliability?

[PrideRed]

Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis

As someone totally unaware of this segment, can someone please explain why isn't Mahindra Alturas G4 selling like hot cakes, considering it has the lowest price for even 4WD AT? Bad built? Not good enough brand image? Poor service/ reliability?

Mainly because of Endeavour and Fortuner, these have built strong reputation over years. Alturas is a good effort by Mahindra but lacked charisma of the market leaders. Now with Mahindra ditching Ssangyong, it's a bit risky investing 35lacs.

[On the Move]

Originally Posted by Shreyxas

Feeling sad for the owners who bought the Fortuner a year ago (including myself) who have to pay the bills for another 5 years ....life can be tough sometimes , but i'll have to live with the fact that I missed out on a refreshed model by one year. Definitely not my day today

On the contrary, I purchased it about 3 months back and I am not too fussed given the price hike for my MT4*4 version. Yes, it has become a lot more contemporary and gets very welcome new additions, but these do come at a cost - in my case it crosses the mental barrier of 40 Lakhs OTR. I guess it will be a personal choice for most, and I respect your feeling. While discussing the same topic with a friend, he casually commented that if I am spending about 39 Lakhs for this, then why not put 3 more and get the refreshed model ).

[CARDEEP]

I think the i20 success story is going to repeat, with Ford (& MG to some extent) reaping benefits of this absurd price hike of the Fortuner, unless other/ latter two don't get carried away with these prices & hike prices of own SUVs too.

Somehow Japanese premium pricing has always helped next best options.

I wish Toyota had kept the prices at least 20% cheaper & let economies of optimal production helped it's revenues & profits. This way there needn't be any role of small cars in its portfolio, & could have gone alone in India than being dependent on Suzuki for sales numbers.

[Shreyxas]

Respect your point of view... but have to agree with your friend on that one as we keep our cars for more than 10 years...The Fortuner was my dream car and had been working hard for it..it sucks to see a newer model out after a relatively small timeframe. Cheers mate and hope you enjoy your new beast..many congrats!

[PrideRed]

I am smelling a 2.4L Fortuner being cooked by Toyota. May be year down the line, they will launch one or 2 variants of cheaper 2.4L model like they did with older Fortuner. With price hike a substantial difference is established with Innova.
More than 60% of Fortuner sales come from 4*2 MT and AT. Both variants are decently loaded and Toyota will be banking heavily on these for numbers. Folks who don't need a hardcore offroader may be better off with Endeavour and save 3-4 lacs.

If I was heading Ford India, would launch twin turbo Endeavour with some more added kit and price it on par with Fortuner 4x4 AT.