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| ![]() This is one car I would like to buy purely based on looks. Glad it's getting a better engine. That blue color looks stunning! |
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However, I don’t know which Harrier video you are talking about, but the official videos of all their products on their YouTube channel, released in the last 1 year, have been killing it lately. Nexon official product video : This is on the Nexon website too and IMHO this video is smashing to say the least and one of the best official product videos of any car in India. Nexon other marketing video: Hilarious take on safety ![]() Altroz official product video (brochure) : Altroz other/marketing videos: Tiago official marketing video : None of the above videos that came out in the last 1 year look boring to me. In fact they are all pretty smart, (remind me of smart TV ads of VW polo) and make for good marketing. | |
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But for now, we only have the torque curve to go by. And this is the best guess we can take. The only way to really know the drivability of the car is to wait for the reviews/test drive impressions. Until then, we won't know how early on those 140nms are generated, how they are sent to the road(gearbox also plays a big role!), or anything else. But purely going on speculation, considering that this is a small non-direct injection engine, and that all turbo-petrols show similar torque graphs, I don't expect this to be the killer engine it's made out to be. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, come review time! ![]() Quote:
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VW 1.2 TSi, Fiat Multijet as Maruti's 1.3DDiS, etc. Both of these engines have seen high rates of adoption, globally, since around 2008. Seeing that these engines have already been done and dusted with, I think it's fair to expect an exciting engine launch in 2020 to be comparable to these standards. I don't see the need to segregate sharply based on engine size - Tata Motors made the choice to pop in a 1 litre turbo petrol. They could have put in a 1.2L Revotron, this same engine with a higher state of tune, or an engine of any other capacity. Rather, I believe it should be segregated based on car segment - and these game-changing engines were available on cars the same size as the Altroz(Polo, Swift, etc.) Turbo-petrols are certainly faster but turbo-diesels have had, in my experience, better drivability. A Nexon petrol may be faster than the Swift diesel in a drag race, but what about compared to a Nexon diesel in an in-gear pull from 1500-3000RPM? This harkens back to 0-100 times being pointless. I'm sure we've all seen cab drivers lugging their Swift Dzires and G-i10s, merrily shifting up at just 1200RPM. I think that proves my point. Both turbo petrols and turbo diesels have the sweet spot in the same 1500-3000RPM range where the majority of people spend most of their driving time in. And in that range, turbo diesel variants of the same car should definitely pull harder and have better drivability. Thanks to this, I think there's a decent chance the 1.5L diesel will still be the preferential motor for prospective Tata Altroz owners. I mean, if drivability is the main concern, why look past a larger-sized, pretty decent turbo-diesel engine? But I would be happy to be proven wrong. Last edited by rkv_2401 : 14th January 2021 at 13:55. Reason: Grammar | |||||||
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| ![]() Tata seems to have a strategy regarding autobox launches, never immediately! Frustrating, but it keeps the heart longing. |
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Driveability, like you mentioned is most important. At the end of the day its us who have to deal with the real world FE, maintenance costs and A.S.S. visits. So that should also be equally emphasized along with the performance numbers. Ditto for the engine-turbo statement, IMO turbo-petrols shouldn't drop below 1.2, already discussed in this thread (Petrol: Smaller turbo engine vs larger naturally-aspirated one) Quote:
And I hate the new "digital" instruments of the latest gen Tiago/Nexon even more, its in contrast to the otherwise well done facelift ![]() | ||
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| ![]() I might be wrong, but I really feel this turbo engine wouldn't increase sales by a huge margin. It will sell 800-1000 units extra per month but not beyond that. The 1.2 NA Altroz itself is showing steady increase in sales numbers. Unless Tata prices it well, I really don't feel it will be as succesful as, lets say, the Polo 1.0 TSI. |
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| ![]() When MG recently introduced Hinglish voice recognition, entire blog was like wowww, what responsiveness by the company. Tata here does the same, at the same time and also gives better engine options and other options. But the blog now is like why the car is with 5 speed MT, why not the same engine tune as Nexon, etc etc. Anyway - One good thing about the 5 speed MT- I am buying the car for me and the Mrs. She is not a petrol head and she hesitates to use even the 5th gear. Upgrading from a 5 speed MT, and having driven 6 speed MTs, I really dont miss the 6th gear. So, maybe IMHO, we are being too nitpicky! |
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| ![]() When the Altroz was launched, there was a lot of hue & cry in this very forum as well as other forums on how the car didn't have 'enough' power, and how everyone wanted a more powerful engine. The new turbo model, definitely will be priced higher or even at par of the diesel model, and honestly wont be returning fuel efficiency figures anywhere near the current model. If all those concerned people were really concerned, the new turbo model should sell almost at the same rate as the non turbo petrol model! When it comes to reality, we all know that is never going to happen. Indian consumers are price sensitive, as well as the majority or the masses are satisfied with the older 1.2 petrol itself. If it was the pure petrol heads who wanted a turbo engine, well now that they have it, will they be rushing to the nearest dealership with their chequebooks? We wont be seeing much of that too. All we will be seeing now will be people complaining about TATA using the 5 speed gearbox, and how tata had to detune the engine for the 5 speed gearbox. Agree that a 6 speed gearbox would have been the perfect match. But that combo would place the price of the car dangerously close to Nexon territory. Balancing the engine, gearbox and other features in the highly price sensitive and technology ignorant market like India is a dangerous job. Ultimately majority of the customers will be looking at how the car appears to them and what the on road cost is. To this market, a N/A engine or a Turbo engine doesn't have any other impact other than the higher price for the turbo model. Cut some slack to TATA, which other manufacturer in India is updating their models so much based on customer feedback? Take the tiago for example, which has been continuously receiving silent updates and fixes ever since it was released. The effort needs to be commented, unlike the major players who release sticker jobs and bumper changes as new model once in a year or two. |
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I feel Team-BHP is quickly becoming somewhat like the Youtube or Twitter comment section where in anything less than stellar feedback of TATA products will immediately be called out by multiple people who simply don't seem to like any negative feedback against TATA. Before I am called out for being an anti-national, a little disclaimer. TATA Altroz Turbo Petrol DCT is something I have been waiting for since the Q4 of last year (even told my dad that this is the one we will be getting next year..after his retirement he has got tired of waiting for me to purchase the car and has threatened to buy it himself soon). Imagine my disappointment when TATA finally reveals that they are launching only the manual this time. This is fine since TATA needs time to work out the kinks in any new technology and they have a reputation for bungling their v1.0 product. But in the premium hatchback segment where you need to beat the i20 how can it hurt TATA to give us the full-monty spec that Nexon's engine comes with and a six-speed gearbox. After all, didn't someone at TATA say that they don't want to compete in a price war and that they believe that the Indian consumer is ready to pay more for a safe well engineered product. If so, then how can it harm them when they have enough of a price gap to get us the Nexon engine with a six speed gearbox and still have the 5 star GNCAP to brag about. Doesn't this place them at a more lucrative position? After all, they can continue to sell the 1.2NA with the 5 speed (and compete against the i20 with the 1.2 kappa petrol while still having better safety ratings). Personal opinion- Fanboys and jingoistic individuals (who confuse this with patriotism) will only hold back a car manufacturer and Nation from progressing forward. How can you achieve progress without constructive criticism? I have always heard that RE is a company in the enviable position of being able to sell anything just because their loyal customer base will lap it up. Honestly though, I think these days RE will be jealous of how many people (both the marketing guys and common citizens) jump to TATAs defense. | |||
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Hey, I did not get the point being tagged here, could you elaborate? Did it sound like me being PRO MG or Anti Tata? | |
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| ![]() Few more pictures of the Tata Altroz Turbo in new Harbour Blue color. Looks smashing. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Source: Hormazd Sorabjee Twitter account. |
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Besides, I dont see why it's a problem when people appreciate a new feature in a car. No issues on that end from me. | |
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