[shravan2k2]

Originally Posted by abhishek46

As per my interpretation, this may be their launch of "connected" car features.

It's surely connected car features as the Suzuki Connect was a half hearted approach initially and the development has been quite slow. I remember working on that training project when they launched three years back. Might launch some advance connected features like it is on the competition.

[LordSharan]

So I was discussing this with a close friend (He currently handles sales and operations for Nexa in south region), and he indicated that the maruti diesel will never make a come back. This was one of the primary reasons why Maurti spent so much time and money on marketing the petrol mill and infamous diesel bashing campaign.

This is in quite contrast to the discussion here, and very frankly, disheartening - as the diesel pot was one sweet motor with good balance of drivability, mileage and punch.

is how I felt, but was happier, considering that I didn't wait for this engine to be relaunched to purchase the car.

[H0RSEPOWER]

Maruti is going to launch their BS6 diesel engine in 2022. It would debut in XL6 in January; followed by Vitara Brezza in February & then Ertiga.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com...le34953379.ece

[Carma2017]

As far as I know, Suzuki is not working on any Diesel Engine. It is just not worth the investment and effort especially for a small company like Suzuki after BS 6 Phase 2 kicks in with more stringent targets followed by RDE. From what I understand, the Japanese OEMs have put more or less all their eggs into the Hybrid / EV basket for future.

[r-a-s]

Maruti Suzuki India Limited has reportedly shelved the plans to bring in BSVI compliant 1.5-litre four-cylinder diesel engine.

Source: https://gaadiwaadi.com/maruti-suzuki...gh-fuel-price/

[rsidd]

It makes complete sense to abandon diesel plans. Diesel prices are now close to petrol. And diesel is highly polluting and all five big Germans (VW, BMW, Daimler, Porsche, Audi) have been fined for colluding to slow deployment of clean technology. Clean diesel is basically impossible. All manufacturers should get off that train now.

The future is electric. Tata seems to be the only one to really grasp this. Maybe Maruti has plans behind the scenes, but the market is going to grow sharply from this point on; Tata is well poised to take a huge chunk of it; and Maruti should have some plans. But, again, forget diesel. Tata claims Nexon EV is selling comparable to Nexon diesel now. That trend will accelerate.

[anb]

Originally Posted by rsidd

It makes complete sense to abandon diesel plans. Diesel prices are now close to petrol. And diesel is highly polluting

Emissions levels of a BS6 petrol & diesel differ much. Every litre of fuel you save have more value now as fuel is very costly and diesel engine saves much more fuel than petrol engines as they are more efficient. So diesel still make some sense today.

[Anwesh]

As Ford has decided to exit the car business in India but shall keep on making engines, Maruti should talk to them for 1.5 liter Diesels. Those Ford engines ate wayy better than anything MUL can hope to develop.

Regards,

[Leoshashi]

Originally Posted by Anwesh

Those Ford engines ate wayy better than anything MUL can hope to develop.

Not really, not at least with the current DPF woes of the TDCi mill.

PS: Sorry for going off topic

[rsidd]

Originally Posted by anb

Emissions levels of a BS6 petrol & diesel differ much. Every litre of fuel you save have more value now as fuel is very costly and diesel engine saves much more fuel than petrol engines as they are more efficient. So diesel still make some sense today.

NOX and PM are the key here. Check the difference between BS4 and BS6 for those, for petrol and diesel. The reduction in BS6 is marginal for petrol, huge for diesel. And certain manufacturers (VW) were already documented cheats. Maruti could join the cheats, or try to solve the extremely hard problem of genuinely reducing NOx by 68% and PM by 82%, or just quit diesel. I applaud them for choosing option 3. Everyone needs to do that. Even if a brand-new diesel engine is BS6 compliant, after a few years will it be?

[ph03n!x]

Originally Posted by rsidd

NOX and PM are the key here. Check the difference between BS4 and BS6 for those, for petrol and diesel. The reduction in BS6 is marginal for petrol, huge for diesel. And certain manufacturers (VW) were already documented cheats. Maruti could join the cheats, or try to solve the extremely hard problem of genuinely reducing NOx by 68% and PM by 82%, or just quit diesel. I applaud them for choosing option 3. Everyone needs to do that. Even if a brand-new diesel engine is BS6 compliant, after a few years will it be?

We are off-topic for this thread here - but are there any conclusive or inconclusive evidence that the 1.5 liter Diesels from Hyundai/ Kia, Honda, Ford, Tata, M&M, or the 2.0/ 2.2 liter from Fiat, M&M, BMW etc. are cheating to meet BS6?

And if Diesels hypothetically do not meet BS6 norms after a few years, is that not possible with Petrols too - and how they are maintained, irrespective of design? And isn't that why there are pollution tests in the country?

[shortbread]

Originally Posted by r-a-s

Maruti Suzuki India Limited has reportedly shelved the plans to bring in BSVI compliant 1.5-litre four-cylinder diesel engine.

Source: https://gaadiwaadi.com/maruti-suzuki...gh-fuel-price/

LOL talking of sour grapes!

If this is true Suzuki India did not shelve plans, they FAILED to make their engine BS6 compliant! I have a cousin brother who has similar ethos as India's largest car maker, apparently he did not fail his degree but simply could not comply with the faulty Indian educational system!

The challenge is they reverse engineered the Fiat 1.3 MJD with assistance from their vendors rather than develop any real diesel engineering competence. After all this effort/investment it was a punch to their gut when GoI introduced BS6 norms. It's like someone slipped in an out of syllabus question during the exams.

What this shows is not Maruti's concern for the environment, who are we kidding? Suzuki has no real R&D competence apart from developing small light manual petrol cars, so what this shows is lack of skill. Also, if they are concerned about fuel prices, well what alternatives do you have Suzuki....pedal power?

Suzuki India spends more money developing special edition graphic stickers than on any real R&D!

This is precisely why Suzuki is chasing a bigger players to collaborate. First it was VW and now Toyota. For Suzuki's survival it needs to bring in expertise from outside, whether it's for bigger platforms, hybrids, EVs, stricter crash norms..... all these upcoming developments is worrying for Suzuki.

Expect Mr. Bhargava to keep ranting on about the Government's 'unnecessary' insistence on better safety and reduced emissions.

Sad state of affairs really. When every nation's biggest auto players are driving progress in their respective countries, India is stuck with this oversized runt!

[Carma2017]

Originally Posted by shortbread

LOL talking of sour grapes!

If this is true Suzuki India did not shelve plans, they FAILED to make their engine BS6 compliant! I have a cousin brother who has similar ethos as India's largest car maker, apparently he did not fail his degree but simply could not comply with the faulty Indian educational system!

The challenge is they reverse engineered the Fiat 1.3 MJD with assistance from their vendors rather than develop any real diesel engineering competence. After all this effort/investment it was a punch to their gut when GoI introduced BS6 norms. It's like someone slipped in an out of syllabus question during the exams.....

Suzuki already has tested BS VI compliant Diesel engines. The prototypes have been tested and validated accordingly in India already by Suzuki local arm in India. It is just that as a company, they have decided not to make investment for mass productionisation. This I have heard from people (Suppliers and testing guys) directly associated with the project. They have put all their eggs in the Hybrid+ CNG+EV+Next Gen Gasoline IC engine combination and war chest is being deployed in that direction. That is where all Japanese OEMs are heading anyway, gently / forcefully nudged by the Japanese government. Suzuki is only following suit.

[searacer932]

Originally Posted by Carma2017

Suzuki already has tested BS VI compliant Diesel engines. The prototypes have been tested and validated accordingly in India already by Suzuki local arm in India. It is just that as a company, they have decided not to make investment for mass productionisation.

If they had decided not to productionise it then why develop the engine in the first place as a BS 4 version and more importantly they developed a two cylinder version which when deployed on the Celerio sounded exactly like a share-auto

[Carma2017]

Originally Posted by searacer932

If they had decided not to productionise it then why develop the engine in the first place as a BS 4 version and more importantly they developed a two cylinder version which when deployed on the Celerio sounded exactly like a share-auto

The original BS IV itself was delayed owing to lack of expertise and experience in developing Diesel engines at Suzuki. Suzuki milked whatever sales it could out of the developed engine. They made the necessary upgrades and prototypes for BS VI but do not seem to have any intention of launching them owing to high fuel prices either way. Their future CAFE / RDE compliance strategy do not seem to figure Diesel engines at all.
The Celerio engine was an epic failure, no two ways about it. It was crude and noisy. No wonder it failed.