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Old 22nd March 2021, 15:46   #16
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Re: Govt might reconsider the NGT ban on 10 - 15 year old cars in Delhi-NCR

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For everyones knowledge, the central govt had already filed a review petition in the supreme court in august 2019 against the supreme courts order banning 10yr old diesel vehicles. The petition will rot there for a few more years and will then be thrown out, in the meantime govt will happily keep collecting tax for 15 year period.

https://https://www.latestlaws.com/latest-news/appeal-against-ban-on-old-diesel-vehicles/

So all this hoopala in the media is just to keep people running in circles. Under no circumstance will the supreme court over rule their own decision on the 10year ban.
Can we file a RTI to NGT to share the following details which led them to decide that 10 year old Diesel cars must not ply on Delhi NCR roads:

1. Share the details of study, comparative pollution between Diesel and Petrol vehicles

2. When and who did such study and at what all places this study was done?

3. Was a comparative study done about impact on environment between scrapping a perfectly functional BS4 compliant diesel car vs. making a new car ?
4. Considering house and car is still 2 biggest investment a normal household make, was there any discussion about the financial impact a family has to born because of restrictions on Diesel vehicle ?

It is evident that GOI has glove in hand with automobile manufacturers on this critical issue for most of car owners in Delhi NCR.
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Old 22nd March 2021, 22:30   #17
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Re: Govt might reconsider the NGT ban on 10 - 15 year old cars in Delhi-NCR

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Can we file a RTI to NGT to share the following details which led them to decide that 10 year old Diesel cars must not ply on Delhi NCR roads:
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Yes sir by all means one can do so if they have the time at hand, however nothing will come out of it. Ngt order has been re affirmed by the supreme court, and honestly if the central govt cant do much about it i pretty much think any citizen cant do much either
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Re: Govt might reconsider the NGT ban on 10 - 15 year old cars in Delhi-NCR

Have seen a lot of people getting their registration done from Haryana and Himachal Pradesh in order to avoid this ban.
Would be better if government considers lifting this ban up or extend the life of diesel vehicles to 15 years too.
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Buying an old used car is similar to recycling because for every old car bought, a new one is not moved off the shelf.
Surely, the person who buys an old car avoids buying a new one, but anyways the seller of that old car is most likely to get himself a new ride.

moving a new one off the shelf
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Have seen a lot of people getting their registration done from Haryana and Himachal Pradesh in order to avoid this ban.
Would be better if government considers lifting this ban up or extend the life of diesel vehicles to 15 years too.
Sir they can register their cars from whichever state, it wont matter the ban applies to any and all cars exceeding the specified age limit plying on Delhi NCR roads, be it a TN registered car or HP registeration no one can circumvent the ban.
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Sir they can register their cars from whichever state, it wont matter the ban applies to any and all cars exceeding the specified age limit plying on Delhi NCR roads, be it a TN registered car or HP registeration no one can circumvent the ban.
Oh! So that’s the case
But what if the RC states 15 years ?
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But what if the RC states 15 years ?
Does not matter. Not allowed in NCR.
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Oh! So that’s the case
But what if the RC states 15 years ?
Does not matter at all The law has been clearly laid down by the supreme court
Diesel- 10 Yrs
Petrol- 15 Yrs
1st Offence 5K Challan with a affidavit stating that car will be scrapped.
2nd Offence - Car impounded by court.
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Re: Govt might reconsider the NGT ban on 10 - 15 year old cars in Delhi-NCR

How I wish that I was not posted / transferred to Delhi NCR now. Have to part with my VW Vento 1.6 TDI as it is 9+ years old now and will complete 10 years in March 2022. Could have easily used it for another 4-5 years if in any other place in India. Either have 1 rule throughout India or register vehicle for 10 years (diesel)... :(
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I am curious what happens if a traveler who is coming from a different state and going to a different state crossing Delhi/NCR in the way. Will they be allowed or turned back from the border. Or they have special route for the 10+ year old diesel to pass thru for interstate travelers. What if someone is visiting Delhi/NCR for a short time with a 10+ year old diesel car? Is there any time limit that they can stay in the region given they are other state registered and has valid registration?

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I am curious what happens if a traveler who is coming from a different state and going to a different state crossing Delhi/NCR in the way. Will they be allowed or turned back from the border. Or they have special route for the 10+ year old diesel to pass thru for interstate travelers. What if someone is visiting Delhi/NCR for a short time with a 10+ year old diesel car? Is there any time limit that they can stay in the region given they are other state registered and has valid registration?
There are no relaxations or any time limit set for travelers or tourists , the law is crystal clear any vehicle above the stipulated age limit set by the order found plying on delhi ncr roads will be prosecuted as per law.
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Re: Govt might reconsider the NGT ban on 10 - 15 year old cars in Delhi-NCR

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I am curious what happens if a traveler who is coming from a different state and going to a different state crossing Delhi/NCR in the way. Will they be allowed or turned back from the border. Or they have special route for the 10+ year old diesel to pass thru for interstate travelers. What if someone is visiting Delhi/NCR for a short time with a 10+ year old diesel car? Is there any time limit that they can stay in the region given they are other state registered and has valid registration?
One can use peripheral expressways for bypassing Delhi. It's Delhi where this rule is being strictly adhered to. Other neighbouring state cops are busy with masks, HSRP & fuel type stickers.

Moreover, by avoiding intra-NCR traffic, one can save time & fuel too (personal experience of using EPE).
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Old 24th March 2021, 00:37   #28
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Re: Govt might reconsider the NGT ban on 10 - 15 year old cars in Delhi-NCR

Please have a look at this immaculately well maintained beauty...

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The Boulonnais, was listed on Team BHP Claddifieds too

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Yes, that's a frugal 21.1 kmpl over 62k kms.

We had to let go of this pristine machine, a 2013 Swift VDI with only 62k kms on the ODO, back in January this year only because of the NGT ban on diesel vehicles over 10 years. The car still had almost 2 1/2 years of life left in the NCR but we still decided to push ahead with it's sale. So we bid adieu in hopes of her finding an equally loving family and got home a new NIOS to help us with the short neighborhood runs.

Now check this out, the PUC of the car as on October 2, 2020.

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The mean HSU or the Hartridge Smoke Unit stood at 40.425 which is even lower than what cars in countries like Singapore, one of the least polluted countries are currently required to comply with (50 HSU for all diesel vehicles in case of Singapore).

Though we had no plans to let her go, we were privy to the fact that regulations relating to pollution are only going to get tougher and tougher with each passing day. As a result, diesel cars in the NCR region would depreciate much faster; more so as the 10 year deadline for the car's expiry approaches.

The question then arises whether buying a diesel even makes any sense in case someone is based out of the NCR? The answer is 'YES'. For someone who would be putting on some heavy mileage (read: at least 50 kms daily or 18k kms annually and assuming the price difference between petrol and diesel model is 160k) on the car and willing to hold on to it for at least 6 years, it would still make sense to buy one.

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Re: Govt might reconsider the NGT ban on 10 - 15 year old cars in Delhi-NCR

The baseless ban in the NCR on old cars is just a template for things to come. The reason is this - somethings cannot be rationally argued. The tragic picture of a dead migrant child washed ashore just couldn't be argued about and that threw Europe's gates open to any and all migrants - the sociocultural and security costs of which their citizens are bearing. Similarly, you just cannot argue when one makes a blanket irrational argument that old cars will pollute; they just don't need to furnish the required proof.

What I foresee is that similar knee-jerk bans on automobiles will increase as we go ahead with our lives. Malthusian thoughts, Luddite arguments and nihilistic totalitarian fears are taking over mankind - such is the zeitgeist today. Greta Thunberg will yet grow into a hydra-headed & omnipotent beast and car owners will be vilified, no matter whether the cars are old/new and whether they pollute more than is the norm or not.
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Re: Govt might reconsider the NGT ban on 10 - 15 year old cars in Delhi-NCR

This morning, some car dealer put up a list of super exclusive cars on a facebook group. 1-6 Crores price tags, from RRs, Astons , bulls to Landies.
All of theme were upward of 5 years of age. What happens to these cars? I mean, the richest of the rich, would they not be averse to buying a 10 Cr Rolls royce if there is 0 residual value at the end of 10/15 years? Even the resale value at 5 year mark would take a massive hit. Heck, even an aspirational car like an S class for semi-senior executive in a mid-rung corporate would seem unattractive. Or is there a band for this exploitation, defined to ordinary joes' cars?

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