[sid_deb]

Originally Posted by mayankk

1-6 Crores price tags, from RRs, Astons , bulls to Landies.
All of theme were upward of 5 years of age. What happens to these cars?

While the NGT rule based on age doesn't make any sense and should be based on condition and fitness of the vehicle, the only consolation one can give oneself is that luxury cars anyways become super unreliable after 10 years and mostly people sell out their cars around the 10 year mark.

If I talk about the German trio, BMW/Mercedes/Audi haven't generally seen more than 8-10L residual value after 10 years (anecdotally looked at the used car classifieds). For Diesels in NCR, this has now dropped to 4-5L depending on NOC availability from other states. The 3-5L difference over a petrol care would get easily recovered in the 10 year fuel costs (The difference in mileage between petrol and diesel for luxury cars is quite high).

[Senna4Ever]

Came across a recent Delhi RTO order which provides a little clarity on the topic of obtaining NOCs for 10+ year old diesel vehicles.

Document states that its possible for 10 to 15 years old diesel vehicles to obtain a NOC, provided that the vehicle is being transferred to one of the notified districts (as listed).

As of now, it appears to include:

• All districts in Rajasthan
• 18 notified districts in Bihar
• All districts (except 26 notified) in Maharashtra
• 33 notified districts in Uttar Pradesh
• All districts in West Bengal (depending on BS-IV certification)
• All districts in Meghalaya

[Traveler]

Can one take the eastern peripheral highway or the western peripheral highway if one needs to travel from Agra to Chandigarh.

The car is a Petrol car more than 15yrs old. Does the Ban apply to cars moving on these two peripheral expressways.

[Shreyans_Jain]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Can one take the eastern peripheral highway or the western peripheral highway if one needs to travel from Agra to Chandigarh.

The car is a Petrol car more than 15yrs old. Does the Ban apply to cars moving on these two peripheral expressways.

The peripheral highway does not enter the state of Delhi. It is entirely in UP and Haryana, and circumnavigates the capital. You can drive your old car on it without fear of being hassled.

Unfortunately, there is no direct interchange between the peripheral highway and the Agra expressway. You’ll have to take the exit on the new Delhi-Meerut expressway towards Indirapuram, take the left towards Noida Sector 66 and then drive on towards Greater Noida. There you will get on to the Taj Expressway. That’s the route you’ll have to take to do this without entering Delhi.

Alternatively, take the peripheral highway all the way to Palwal, then drive on to Agra via the old NH2.

[Eddy]

But doesn't the ban extend upto Noida?

[CARDEEP]

Hi @Eddy, it does touch Noida, but enforcement is generally lax outside Delhi. Even in Delhi if you are lucky you can pass through at odd hours (my suggestion would be not to try this).

[akshay4587]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Can one take the eastern peripheral highway or the western peripheral highway if one needs to travel from Agra to Chandigarh.

The car is a Petrol car more than 15yrs old. Does the Ban apply to cars moving on these two peripheral expressways.

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

The peripheral highway does not enter the state of Delhi. It is entirely in UP and Haryana, and circumnavigates the capital. You can drive your old car on it without fear of being hassled.

Unfortunately, there is no direct interchange between the peripheral highway and the Agra expressway. You’ll have to take the exit on the new Delhi-Meerut expressway towards Indirapuram, take the left towards Noida Sector 66 and then drive on towards Greater Noida. There you will get on to the Taj Expressway. That’s the route you’ll have to take to do this without entering Delhi.

Alternatively, take the peripheral highway all the way to Palwal, then drive on to Agra via the old NH2.

Originally Posted by Eddy

But doesn't the ban extend upto Noida?

Originally Posted by CARDEEP

Hi @Eddy, it does touch Noida, but enforcement is generally lax outside Delhi. Even in Delhi if you are lucky you can pass through at odd hours (my suggestion would be not to try this).

A friend was stopped at the entry of EPE a few months ago in a 10+ year old diesel vehicle, he was let off after he paid a couple of thousands as bribe.
Another friend traveled to BIC in his Old Honda City without any trouble.

So it's a hit or a miss.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by akshay4587

A friend was stopped at the entry of EPE a few months ago in a 10+ year old diesel vehicle, he was let off after he paid a couple of thousands as bribe.
Another friend traveled to BIC in his Old Honda City without any trouble.

So it's a hit or a miss.

The NCR map on Wikipedia shows lot of areas in the NCR. It would be a very long detour if one has to bypass that whole region. Don’t know how people are managing.

[Born 2 Be Wild]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Can one take the eastern peripheral highway or the western peripheral highway if one needs to travel from Agra to Chandigarh.

The car is a Petrol car more than 15yrs old. Does the Ban apply to cars moving on these two peripheral expressways.

Both, eastern peripheral, western peripheral highways fall within the ambit of the NGT order, try and cross this stretch or ncr late evening or in the night when checking is lax,during day time there are chances you might be stopped, sometimes cops are there at the toll plaza.

[drmohitg]

Also, this is a very easy way to extort money. You are helpless and left with no room for any negotiation. The law is quite clear, however illogical it may be. And the cops know it very well. Travel during odd hours as many have suggested.

[anjan_c2007]

The October farm fires phase has commenced. The report says Delhi braces for the yearly gas chamber days. A total of 92,624 hectares of land have already been burnt only in Punjab till 14th October '22, according to satellite study data shared by the Union government. Overall, 15.26% of paddy sown has been harvested and 20% burnt in Punjab till 14/10/22 the data reveals.

The news report says that prolonged rainfall could have delayed stubble burning, that is likely to gain momentum henceforth. The Indian Agricultural Research Institute is studying the impact of the stubble burning.

The news report also quotes likely pollution to result from fire crackers and vehicular emissions due to the approaching Diwali festival.

The link:-

https://m.economictimes.com/news/ind...w/94996533.cms

The centre is monitoring and releasing such data but there are no steps bring taken to check the menace of stubble burning either by executive orders from the government or injunctions from the judiciary.

When the GREENS (most likely automakers in disguise) argued in the courts to ban older automobiles, stern steps were immediately taken and even now older automobiles sighted in public places are being mercilessly seized as fodder for the guillotine. Older automobiles have been tagged as the main villain and the prime causative factor for the unhealthy smog during winters. But in the case of stubble burning, the regulatory authorities and concerned enforcement agencies are playing SUGAR DADDY as it is a politically sensitive issue.

Ever since the old automobile ban come December 2016, the smog has worsened and the smog of 2021 winter was the worst ever in history for the NCR. All this, even after the BS VI standards were introduced and petrol got 10% ethanol blending to supposedly reduce CO2 emissions by 20%.

[batish]

Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

Ever since the old automobile ban come December 2016, the smog has worsened and the smog of 2021 winter was the worst ever in history for the NCR. All this, even after the BS VI standards were introduced and petrol got 10% ethanol blending to supposedly reduce CO2 emissions by 20%.

Sir, with due respect. We all are victims here and those who are not, will be in near future. Now my question is: as victims can we do anything? I am asking collectively as a team, can we all do anything to revert this ban?

This ban is applicable to BS6 vehicles too. So this guillotine still stands on our heads. Again, can we working class employees do anything?

[antz.bin]

Hello my fellow Team BHPians from Delhi/NCR.

Wishing you a very Happy, Safe & Prosperous Diwali.



In case you are wondering what I mean by the above message, you can choose to hit the government where it hits them the most. Take your tax ₹ elsewhere.

You pay your indirect taxes in the form of GST to the local government. A government which is hell bent on loot and squander. It has been 20 years and whatever the govt did only made the situation go from bad to worse.
Odd /even
Firecracker ban
Phasing out 10/15 yr old cars

Nothing works. And they won't do what needs to be done (stopping stubble burning). This behaviour hurts the public both in terms of health and finances. It's time the public hurts the govt back.

[batish]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

Nothing works. And they won't do what needs to be done (stopping stubble burning). This behaviour hurts the public both in terms of health and finances. It's time the public hurts the govt back.

True sir. The problem is not government only but other institutions as well. Recently, they brought Kolkata too under their ambit.

The solution is not stopping stubble burning but diversifying the agriculture. Rice cultivation is not feasible for long for North-western states. They need to move away from this practice. Water level is depleting and even the produce is fluctuating due to a great extent due to extreme weather patterns.

Middle class cannot hurt the government, 9-5 employees do not have the time nor the resources to do anything whether it's protest or boycott or anything remotely which hurts the government. Whatever the dictum is, we have to follow.

The only alternative I find plausible is moving from this city. If there were jobs in smaller towns of our country, I would not have been active in this thread rather would have been merrily driving my 9.5 year old 1.6 CRDI while having a chocolate ice-cream.

[vredesbyrd]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

Nothing works. And they won't do what needs to be done (stopping stubble burning). This behaviour hurts the public both in terms of health and finances. It's time the public hurts the govt back.

Originally Posted by batish

Middle class cannot hurt the government, 9-5 employees do not have the time nor the resources to do anything whether it's protest or boycott or anything remotely which hurts the government. Whatever the dictum is, we have to follow.

Gentlemen, the only way to return the hurt is to move out of the country and pay taxes where we actually get something in return instead of filling the coffers of babus, industrialists and illegal immigrants.