Vehicle Registration Blues!! Address proof for gypsies like me

shad0ww · 26th April 2007, 15:42

Dunno if this is the right forum... trust the mods will move it where it shud belong :">

here's the question... I work in Mumbai, but don't have any local residence in my name. All I have is a lease agreement which is franked, but not registered with the registrar as yet.

Now my dealer has already charged me 3K which he says will go to the RTO as undertable charges becoz i dont have an own residence in mumbai. and now becoz the lease is not yet registered, he says i have to pay another 1 grand.

First of all, i dont trust him. I'd like to know if my company issues a certificate that i stay in so and so place, would this be a valid address proof for registration purposes? all my bills & bank accounts bear my official address & hometown address.
are there others in this forum who have had to cough up the 3k bribe just becoz they dint own properties in mumbai?

HellwratH · 26th April 2007, 17:03

Don't you have a rental agreement? When I bought my car, the salesman charged me 500 bucks and got the work done, even when the rental agreement was not under my name. I think company certificate/ Hutch bill should do, I used the same when I bought my bike and the Bajaj people made some affidavit and didn't have any hassles with it. Try any of the two mentioned things..might work

rjstyles69 · 26th April 2007, 18:19

hey mate, talk to your company HR and explain the situation. Tell them to give you a letter stating that you are an employee and reside in the address stated. Job done !!

spadival · 26th April 2007, 19:55

I think the legal way is to get an affidavit stating the current address. My dealer did it for me without charging all these extra bucks.

Zappo · 27th April 2007, 00:57

I had the same problem when I bought my bike in hyderabad. The agent (dealer's pointsman in RTA) said that I will need to fork out Rs300 for getting an affidavit done as I do not have a residence proof. I tried the electricity bill but it had the landlord's name on it. The gas registration voucher of HP was not acceptable (even though from the government)! My passport was carrying a different address. Mobile phone bills were also not acceptable. Even my employer's letter (one of the most respected names in the IT space) was not acceptable. Soon I realized that no matter what you give they will find one fault or the other. So I parted with the 300 bucks.

However when they started the same circus when I purchased the car I turned the tables on them. I just took my bike's RC book issued by the same RTA and submitted a copy as proof. They were surprised at the turn of the events and then an agent came up with the gem that it is not acceptable. So I said if you can not accept your own documents as being true then there is something massively wrong here and I would like to speak to the transport commissioner. At this they retreated hastily. My work got done.

tsk1979 · 27th April 2007, 01:00

Rental agreement is sufficient for this purpose, you don't need to own property. Either your dealer has made a fool out of you, or there is something out of order in your rental agreement that such bribes are necessary.

shad0ww · 27th April 2007, 10:59

The rental agreement is a very legal. It has just not been registered with the registrar of properties. (most aggrements are anyway not registered)

The dealer is charging me 3K INSPITE of this. When i asked him for a bill of the 3k amount, he told me that it's all undertable bribe to the RTO officials, and there will be no bill. Then he reverted to me saying if i pay him another 1k, he will give me a bill.

I have very strong grieviances against this cheat of a dealer, so I paid the extra buck to get the bill. i intend to use this to file a case against him once all my work is done. I have ZERO trust in this guy, and the only reason i had to put up with it is becoz my parents paid him the "booking amount". He refused to refund it in full on cancellation, and was charging insane amounts of cancellation charges.

Many more feathers in his cap... which will be elaborated in another dedicated post!

shad0ww · 27th April 2007, 11:02

A little off topic in the current thread, but still... now that he is on his cheating spree... he also pasted a sunfilm he claims to be of Llumar. Only, it's got an ISI mark on it... and Llumar mentioned nowhere. I hope this is not yet another case of this crook installing some cheap local make and passing it off as Llumar!

tsk1979 · 27th April 2007, 12:35

Get all bills, and then put a case in consumer court. He is out to cheat you.
I have got vehicles registered on Rental agreement in Bangalore. Its perfectly legal.
Infact if you have a BSNL phone bill or bank statement that also is usable.
I suggest you go to the RTO and see the list of accepted documents. It usually pasted on the notice board.

khaadu75 · 27th April 2007, 13:06

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Infact if you have a BSNL phone bill or bank statement that also is usable.
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And only a BSNL connection .. airtel and relaince and tata indicom will not suffice , as for the Bank -- it again has to be a Nationalised bank .

Anyone in Delhi know what all can be shown as proof for registering a car/ getting a DL, etc -- I too am a gypsy with no Delhi residence proof and need a license

Cheers

tsk1979 · 27th April 2007, 13:07

Got to your nearest RTO, they display these document lists in bold. Don't trust any agent.

khaadu75 · 27th April 2007, 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Got to your nearest RTO, they display these document lists in bold. Don't trust any agent.

Doesnt the RTO have a website ... ???

suman · 27th April 2007, 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by khaadu75

Doesnt the RTO have a website ... ???

Yes they do but the boards outside the RTO as Tanveer says are likely to be updated far more frequently

razor4077 · 7th June 2010, 09:47

Reviving an old thread.

I'm new to Mumbai, and am interested in purchasing a car here sometime soon, most probably a used car. I don't have any Mumbai address proof, and since I am putting up at a relative's place for the time being, I won't have a rental/lease agreement anytime soon.
What options do I have with respect to address proof? I was thinking of applying for an MTNL land line + broadband connection at my relative's place in my name. Will MTNL allow this? And if so, can I use this as an address proof?

Any other options I can explore? Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Ravindra M · 7th June 2010, 09:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by razor4077

Reviving an old thread.

I'm new to Mumbai, and am interested in purchasing a car here sometime soon, most probably a used car. I don't have any Mumbai address proof... Any other options I can explore? Any suggestions will be appreciated.

As per my info, an affidavit made before Notary should be enough as an address proof. Why don't you ask an RTO agent ?

26th April 2007, 15:42	#1
shad0ww Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 9 Thanked: 2 Times	Vehicle Registration Blues!! Address proof for gypsies like me Dunno if this is the right forum... trust the mods will move it where it shud belong :"> here's the question... I work in Mumbai, but don't have any local residence in my name. All I have is a lease agreement which is franked, but not registered with the registrar as yet. Now my dealer has already charged me 3K which he says will go to the RTO as undertable charges becoz i dont have an own residence in mumbai. and now becoz the lease is not yet registered, he says i have to pay another 1 grand. First of all, i dont trust him. I'd like to know if my company issues a certificate that i stay in so and so place, would this be a valid address proof for registration purposes? all my bills & bank accounts bear my official address & hometown address. are there others in this forum who have had to cough up the 3k bribe just becoz they dint own properties in mumbai?
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26th April 2007, 17:03	#2
HellwratH BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 115 Thanked: 57 Times	Don't you have a rental agreement? When I bought my car, the salesman charged me 500 bucks and got the work done, even when the rental agreement was not under my name. I think company certificate/ Hutch bill should do, I used the same when I bought my bike and the Bajaj people made some affidavit and didn't have any hassles with it. Try any of the two mentioned things..might work
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26th April 2007, 18:19	#3
rjstyles69 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bengalooru.. Posts: 4,343 Thanked: 842 Times View My Garage	hey mate, talk to your company HR and explain the situation. Tell them to give you a letter stating that you are an employee and reside in the address stated. Job done !!
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26th April 2007, 19:55	#4
spadival Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, AU Posts: 1,773 Thanked: 26 Times View My Garage	I think the legal way is to get an affidavit stating the current address. My dealer did it for me without charging all these extra bucks.
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27th April 2007, 00:57	#5
Zappo Team-BHP Support Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 5,922 Thanked: 2,698 Times	I had the same problem when I bought my bike in hyderabad. The agent (dealer's pointsman in RTA) said that I will need to fork out Rs300 for getting an affidavit done as I do not have a residence proof. I tried the electricity bill but it had the landlord's name on it. The gas registration voucher of HP was not acceptable (even though from the government)! My passport was carrying a different address. Mobile phone bills were also not acceptable. Even my employer's letter (one of the most respected names in the IT space) was not acceptable. Soon I realized that no matter what you give they will find one fault or the other. So I parted with the 300 bucks. However when they started the same circus when I purchased the car I turned the tables on them. I just took my bike's RC book issued by the same RTA and submitted a copy as proof. They were surprised at the turn of the events and then an agent came up with the gem that it is not acceptable. So I said if you can not accept your own documents as being true then there is something massively wrong here and I would like to speak to the transport commissioner. At this they retreated hastily. My work got done. Last edited by Zappo : 27th April 2007 at 00:58.
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27th April 2007, 01:00	#6
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Rental agreement is sufficient for this purpose, you don't need to own property. Either your dealer has made a fool out of you, or there is something out of order in your rental agreement that such bribes are necessary.
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27th April 2007, 10:59	#7
shad0ww Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 9 Thanked: 2 Times	The rental agreement is a very legal. It has just not been registered with the registrar of properties. (most aggrements are anyway not registered) The dealer is charging me 3K INSPITE of this. When i asked him for a bill of the 3k amount, he told me that it's all undertable bribe to the RTO officials, and there will be no bill. Then he reverted to me saying if i pay him another 1k, he will give me a bill. I have very strong grieviances against this cheat of a dealer, so I paid the extra buck to get the bill. i intend to use this to file a case against him once all my work is done. I have ZERO trust in this guy, and the only reason i had to put up with it is becoz my parents paid him the "booking amount". He refused to refund it in full on cancellation, and was charging insane amounts of cancellation charges. Many more feathers in his cap... which will be elaborated in another dedicated post!
	() Thanks

27th April 2007, 11:02	#8
shad0ww Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 9 Thanked: 2 Times	A little off topic in the current thread, but still... now that he is on his cheating spree... he also pasted a sunfilm he claims to be of Llumar. Only, it's got an ISI mark on it... and Llumar mentioned nowhere. I hope this is not yet another case of this crook installing some cheap local make and passing it off as Llumar!
	() Thanks

27th April 2007, 12:35	#9
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Get all bills, and then put a case in consumer court. He is out to cheat you. I have got vehicles registered on Rental agreement in Bangalore. Its perfectly legal. Infact if you have a BSNL phone bill or bank statement that also is usable. I suggest you go to the RTO and see the list of accepted documents. It usually pasted on the notice board.
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27th April 2007, 13:07	#11
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Got to your nearest RTO, they display these document lists in bold. Don't trust any agent.
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7th June 2010, 09:47	#14
razor4077 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,882 Thanked: 298 Times View My Garage	Reviving an old thread. I'm new to Mumbai, and am interested in purchasing a car here sometime soon, most probably a used car. I don't have any Mumbai address proof, and since I am putting up at a relative's place for the time being, I won't have a rental/lease agreement anytime soon. What options do I have with respect to address proof? I was thinking of applying for an MTNL land line + broadband connection at my relative's place in my name. Will MTNL allow this? And if so, can I use this as an address proof? Any other options I can explore? Any suggestions will be appreciated.
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