[Venkatesh]

Toyota India has extended the battery warranty for its Self-charging Hybrid Electric Vehicles.

Currently, Toyota sells two SHEVs in India - Camry and Vellfire. The battery warranty on both cars will now extend to 8 years/1,60,000km (whichever comes first) from the existing 3 years/100,000 km.



This applies to cars sold from August 1, 2021.



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[R_throttle]

Actually this happens to be the most underrated luxury sedans in India. Considering the current fuel price scenario, a car that rolls out approximately 47km to a litre of gasoline (coupled with the motor) is a great deal. Yes, it may cost almost half a crore and almost all of them might be looking for a "3 pointed star" or "four rings" on their car while paying this much money but seriously this maybe the only car that is worth the money other than paying for the brand. And obviously Toyota's are the least troublesome and in addition they have given additional warranty and that too makes sense!

[chandras1]

Toyota can easily kill two birds in one stone if they bring a proper hybrid into Urban Cruiser or their new upcoming creta competition. This can even be a variant that commands premium over their non hybrid counterparts.

[TorqueIndia]

Great for current owners, by the way any idea regarding the battery capacity of these vehicles ? What is the EV only range of these vehicles, owners please share.

[07CR]

Originally Posted by TorqueIndia

Great for current owners, by the way any idea regarding the battery capacity of these vehicles ? What is the EV only range of these vehicles, owners please share.

The scheme is not applicable for current owners. Only for cars sold post 1st August2021.

I think I saw in one of the Auto Journo videos, that EV only range for Camry is about 4-5 kms.

[SKC-auto]

This whole "Self charging Hybrid" is just stupid. Where is ASCI(Advertising standards council of India), no outrage here? or we somehow think Toyota can defy physics and self charge their hybrids?

What's the actual battery capacity, 1-2kwh? The cost of this battery will be what 40000₹?

Originally Posted by R_throttle

Considering the current fuel price scenario, a car that rolls out approximately 47km to a litre of gasoline (coupled with the motor) is a great deal.

It's just ARAI rated 19km/litre.

[PrideRed]

Originally Posted by SKC-auto

This whole "Self charging Hybrid" is just stupid. Where is ASCI(Advertising standards council of India), no outrage here? or we somehow think Toyota can defy physics and self charge their hybrids?

What's the actual battery capacity, 1-2kwh? The cost of this battery will be what 40000₹?


It's just ARAI rated 19km/litre.

The Battery unit generates about 120HP which is quite good. As per Toyota in if you are to drive 1000KM in city, 500KM will be run using pure battery and battery needs no charging like EV. The cost of battery is quite high, may be a lac or two. So its not your SHVS system but similar to one in Prius.

[SKC-auto]

Originally Posted by PrideRed

The Battery unit generates about 120HP which is quite good. As per Toyota in if you are to drive 1000KM in city, 500KM will be run using pure battery and battery needs no charging like EV. The cost of battery is quite high, may be a lac or two. So its not your SHVS system but similar to one in Prius.

All I could gather from internet is the battery capacity is 1.6kwh, I don't know the NiMH battery prices currently but it does not cost more than 40000₹ for toyota, so this 8 year warranty is nothing like the 8 year warranty on Nexon EV, that's my only point.

When the car is driven in electric only mode for 500kms, what is the engine doing, either sitting idle or charging the smallish battery. We need to understand, how many kms in those 500kms the car really ran in electric only mode while the engine is shut off.

[PrideRed]

Originally Posted by SKC-auto

All I could gather from internet is the battery capacity is 1.6kwh, I don't know the NiMH battery prices currently but it does not cost more than 40000₹ for toyota, so this 8 year warranty is nothing like the 8 year warranty on Nexon EV, that's my only point.

When the car is driven in electric only mode for 500kms, what is the engine doing, either sitting idle or charging the smallish battery. We need to understand, how many kms in those 500kms the car really ran in electric only mode while the engine is shut off.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...-hybrid-9.html. The battery and sensor cost about 2.5L.
When driven in electric only mode, engine is shut off. When charge comes down or if speed increases, IC takes the charge and also charges battery

[SKC-auto]

Originally Posted by PrideRed

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...-hybrid-9.html. The battery and sensor cost about 2.5L.
When driven in electric only mode, engine is shut off. When charge comes down or if speed increases, IC takes the charge and also charges battery

The warranty is a good thing for the consumer, Toyota will not profit 2 lakhs with battery change(which again is not a bad thing, all companies make profit from selling spares).

Agreed, just that it's not a self charging hybrid, it's a petrol engine charged hybrid. When the engine charges the battery, the car gets the worst mileage (may be around 5kmpl), as the engine has to run the car and also the electric generator. The overall better mileage for hybrids is only because of the efficient electric motor.

Anyways like to read about the 500km electric mode thing, please share if you could find.

[RJK]

Being owners of a Jan’21 Camry, this makes me feel disappointed. Toyota’s strategy makes me infer that the battery they install in cars sold after August’21 may be better and a lower probability of failing, compared to the car/battery combo sold before August’21.

Agreed, just that it's not a self charging hybrid, it's a petrol engine charged hybrid. When the engine charges the battery, the car gets the worst mileage (may be around 5kmpl), as the engine has to run the car and also the electric generator.

It’s difficult to gauge the efficiency of engine when it’s charging & driving the car. The switchover happens without manual intervention. The efficiency one gets is always of electric motor + engine, combined.

[nandrive]

Originally Posted by SKC-auto

Agreed, just that it's not a self charging hybrid, it's a petrol engine charged hybrid. When the engine charges the battery, the car gets the worst mileage (may be around 5kmpl), as the engine has to run the car and also the electric generator. The overall better mileage for hybrids is only because of the efficient electric motor.

It's not that simple, every engine has its own efficient rpm, engine is made to run in this rpm most of the time. Some of the energy generated is used to drive the wheels and the extra energy is stored in battery for future use. In traditional ICE vehicles this extra energy would be wasted as may be clutch slip, etc.

Once you have enough energy in battery, depending upon the situation, only electric motors may drive the wheels, or electric motors add boost to the drive without increasing engine rpm thus not burning more fuel.

Battery also gets charged by regenerative braking.

With all these together, Toyota hybrids are super efficient. I am averaging 19kmpl over 11k kms ownership in my Rav4 hybrid AWD. Yes Toyota hybrid technology indeed works, very well I would say.

[sandeepmohan]

Originally Posted by SKC-auto

This whole "Self charging Hybrid" is just stupid.

Can you elaborate on this a bit more?

A Prius when run with its combustion engine can do about 400km at best. In Hybrid mode, it offers almost double that range.

Toyota's Hybrid system is indeed self charging. When its coasting down the road, the electric motors are working in reverse and no fuel is consumed. Its also a small battery pack so it takes little to charge and send power back to the wheels in an instant or the moment it detects that it can.

The only situation where the engine kicks in is when there is insufficient battery power or when you do WOT. In this situation, it combines power of the engine and Electric motors. There is no self charging taking place at this time.

It is hard to explain or notice this. In just about any driving situation other than on the motorway, the system is constantly switching between applying power and sending power back to the battery back. Every time you lift of the A pedal (which is quite often in the city cycle), the rotation of the wheel is sending power back to the battery pack. It is possible to extract about 3 to 4km of range under 100% EV mode. It may not sound like much. When you are continuously cycling between ICE and EV, that stretches to quite a bit of range. The air conditioning system is also driven by electric motor.

The extended warranty on the battery is in alignment to what Toyota offer globally.

Originally Posted by RJK

Being owners of a Jan’21 Camry, this makes me feel disappointed.

I am sure you will be covered. It will be stupid of Toyota not to. Better to email them and ask them about it.

[SKC-auto]

Originally Posted by sandeepmohan

Can you elaborate on this a bit more?

A Prius when run with its combustion engine can do about 400km at best. In Hybrid mode, it offers almost double that range.

Toyota's Hybrid system is indeed self charging. When its coasting down the road, the electric motors are working in reverse and no fuel is consumed.

"The law of conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - only converted from one form of energy to another. "

There is no such thing called self charging, if toyota is a self charging hybrid then all hybrids are self charging, all PHEVs and EVs are also self charging as every EV uses regenerative energy. I understand that hybrids are efficient compared to ICE powered, just that it's not self charging, it's petrol charged just like any hybrid. The only power source for that car is petrol.

To be clear, using the term "self charging hybrid" is stupid, created to confuse people. How do they charge themselves, defying physics?

See below Toyota dealer ad:
Our self-charging hybrid electric vehicles don’t rely on charging infrastructure as they charge themselves. No, you don’t have to pinch yourself because it’s absolutely real. Goodbye range anxiety. Hello smart investment. #TKM_EnvironmentMonth2021 #TopselToyota #ToyotaHybridCamry https://t.co/t17u0gmWoY
https://twitter.com/TopselToyota/sta...790645762?s=19

[Ragavsr]

Originally Posted by SKC-auto

There is no such thing called self charging, if toyota is a self charging hybrid then all hybrids are self charging, all PHEVs and EVs are also self charging as every EV uses regenerative energy.
To be clear, using the term "self charging hybrid" is stupid, created to confuse people. How do they charge themselves, defying physics?
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The cars are called self charging hybrids because you don't charge the 1.x kWh battery from a plug like a plug in hybrid or battery electric vehicle. The battery is charged itself from regenerating energy. They are well justified in using that term.

The hybrid synergy drive range - that includes rhe Prius, Camry, Corolla, Highlander, Venza, Avalon are all real hybrids - not the crap Maruti pushed and unfairly gained tax benefits from.