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Old 18th April 2022, 11:08   #301
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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

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Can you please help me understand from where you got this information of 176 kmph top speed?
In the commercials by Honda, I see 220 kmph on the TFT meter console.
If you look at page 15 in this thread and post no 216 and 218, the last snapshot from the launch presentation calls out the top speed as 176 kmph. This is where I was surprised too as 176 sounds too less for a sedan and even with torque of 253, unless its electronically limited.
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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

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If you look at page 15 in this thread and post no 216 and 218, the last snapshot from the launch presentation calls out the top speed as 176 kmph. This is where I was surprised too as 176 sounds too less for a sedan and even with torque of 253, unless its electronically limited.
Thats because that 253nm of torque is only delivered until half of the motor's spinning RPM. After that it fades down pretty quick and I guess this would be above 100-110kmph. Hence, even that 176kmph of top speed would be reached with quite some effort. If someone like Autocar does a proper performance test and comes out with numbers, this will be very evident. Above 100 or 120 when the engine is decoupled, I guess thats the end of the practical acceleration you can achieve out of the car.
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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

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ASEAN N-CAP 5 star equivalent? I hope this is not another '2 African elephant' kind of thing. Is Honda indirectly claiming that they would achieve 5 star in GNCAP.
The car that scored 5 stars in ASEAN NCAP and the one sold in India are similar with respect to safety parameters.
That is why it is said as equivalent.

Besides the GNCAP has the "easiest" of the crash norm requirements currently being held anywhere. The updated norms will be coming this year.

Till then, a vehicle with similar build and safety features, having a rating from any of the other NCAPs world wide will be at least same or more likely better
than the GNCAP crash test and ratings.

Case in point:- a 2 star GNCAP rated Swift was rated 0 stars at the updated Latin NCAP crash test.

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There was an announcement made last year in January that 50% tax rebate will be provided to full-hybrids for a period of 5 years. Is this what you are referring to? Or does this mean that full-hybrids will be taxed at 5% like EVs? However, I cannot find any reference to hybrids in the tax schedule provided at Kerala MVD website.
IIRC it was in April 2020, during the lockdown, when the initial notification was rolled out.
It stated that there is a 25% reduction in Tax levied, but not specifically which all vehicles come in the stated bracket.

Later an amendment was made, adding full hybrids vehicles into the category.
That amendment notification is attached below.



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Dealer tells me they will get the car this coming week, and I can expect a test drive during the weekend.
According to my information, the Demo cars have been tagged and marked in Honda vehicle pool. And some are in transit too.
So yes, at least a few dealers will start the test drives next week.

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Thats because that 253nm of torque is only delivered until half of the motor's spinning RPM. After that it fades down pretty quick and I guess this would be above 100-110kmph.
That AC synchronous motor that power the wheels has 253Nm torque,
but unlike what most people believe these motors don't produce that torque
output all through its rev range.
Here specifically, the 253Nm is from 0 - 3000rpm.
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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

I see some posts on the Max speed. Whether its 220 or 176, we get to drive at max 110-120 which is already dangerous in 99% of roads in our country. I don't see a point in talking about that max speed.
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I see some posts on the Max speed. Whether its 220 or 176, we get to drive at max 110-120 which is already dangerous in 99% of roads in our country. I don't see a point in talking about that max speed.
No offense, but by that logic all these BHP, torque, engine capacity becomes irrelevant if we are just looking at cars that can do maximum of 110 to 120. For many this might be an important parameter when they are looking something more performance oriented - for eg: if I am in the market with a budget of 20 lakhs, I would definitely wont buy something where the top speed is 176. For each their own.

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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

Yes I would agree that no roads in India are designed or safe for speeds of 120+ and even on the under construction Delhi Mumbai expressway the top speed will be capped at 120. So it is immaterial to say my car can cross 170/190!

Now coming to the point why this car cannot go higher is:
At speeds above 100 the motor is decoupled from the electric motor and the engine is then driving the wheels. As there is no gearbox in the car, it can only go as high as the rev limiter of the engine which might be say at 6k rpm. So the speed would be limited to that max level. This car is a street legal car and obviously not meant for racing!
Practically this car is meant to replace fuel efficient diesel engines with a viable hybrid petrol engine without breaking the bank.

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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

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No offense, but by that logic all these BHP, torque, engine capacity becomes irrelevant if we are just looking at cars that can do maximum of 110 to 120. For many this might be an important parameter when they are looking something more performance oriented - for eg: if I am in the market with a budget of 20 lakhs, I would definitely wont buy something where the top speed is 176. For each their own.
I think, you missed to understand the point. Max speed cannot be a deciding factor for purchasing a car /judging a car on its capabilities. We need those Torque, BHP, figures to ascertain if this car is capable of pulling in our B2B traffic effortlessly and is capable of maintaining legal speeds.

I look into the BHP, Torque no's to gauge the drive-ability factor.

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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

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I think, you missed to understand the point. Max speed cannot be a deciding factor for purchasing a car /judging a car on its capabilities. We need those Torque, BHP, figures to ascertain if this car is capable of pulling in our B2B traffic effortlessly and is capable of maintaining legal speeds.

I look into the BHP, Torque no's to gauge the drive-ability factor.
What is legal speed today would be not the case a few years from now. New expressways are capable of handling much more even today. So when the car is costing quite a sum of money, then I would appreciate reserve power on tap. And on the other hand, it’s not just the top speed absolute number that is being discussed about. Rather it is the reduction of top speed compared to the NA Variant of the same car which would also point towards some reduction in performance.

And like i mentioned earlier, no point in ogling over that 250nm of torque. That would only be at city speeds where you might not even use all of it.

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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

The New City e:HEV goes through different modes while driving.

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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

You are right about the speed limits. The point here is that this car with lower top speed would not offer the spirited driving experience even for a brief period on a nice open road, which may be kind of a deciding factor for some. I know few people who decide to purchase based on the performance of the vehicle and do not worry much about other factors. Similarly, there are people who are efficiency conscious and would not have trouble with performance.

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I see some posts on the Max speed. Whether its 220 or 176, we get to drive at max 110-120 which is already dangerous in 99% of roads in our country. I don't see a point in talking about that max speed.
Mod Note: Do not mention any illegal speeds on the forum, Thanks.

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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

Honda Cars India has started production of the City e:HEV hybrid at its manufacturing facility in Tapukara, Rajasthan.

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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

A dealer in Gurgaon hinted at the onroad pricing being around 20 lacs, they seem to have gotten around 15-20 bookings till now. Really hoping for them to keep it under 22 lacs, else Honda just might have a repeat of the Civic Hybrid.
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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

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You are right about the speed limits
Most highways have speed cameras with a speed limit of 100 kmph. Do you mean to say that UP doesn't have a speed limit or camera's?

95% of the people who will purchase this car will be driving it within city limits as that is where the strength of a HeV exists. If you want a fast car go for the 1.5 Tsi or some other equivalent as you have rightly pointed out.

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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

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Most highways have speed camera's with speed limit of 100 kmph. You mean to say that UP doesn't have speed limit or camera's?

95% of the people who will purchase this car will be driving it within city limits as that is where the strength of a HeV exists. If you want a fast car go for the 1.5 Tsi or some other equivalent as you have rightly pinted out
I would put it in another way, 95% of roads are either not safe to drive at more than 120kmph or it is illegal to drive on them above 120kmph. So for the remaining 5% use case, 1.5 TSI is a good option

Regarding yamuna expressway, not only do they have camera but they even calculate your in-time and out-time to measure what your average speed on expressway was. So please be careful there.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/road-...challan-2.html (Yamuna Expressway to be crossed in minimum 99 minutes (cars) | If less time, then speeding challan)

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Re: Honda City Hybrid | Unveiled on 14th April 2022

I think this would be a great addition to our car market as it is unique. Test drive reports from Indian context would give a better view of this technology. Although we may call it a generator on wheels, the driving experience may be a surprise (good or bad) for us. Some may like it, some may not depending on each ones expectations from a car. I would definitely wait for the drive experiences to come out, it may not be my cup of tea, but it could be 'the one' for many.
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