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Old 27th February 2022, 22:38   #1
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Toyota is said to have started producing strong hybrid engines in India. These engines are likely to power the brand's upcoming mid-size SUV (Hyundai Creta rival) and the next-gen Innova.

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We have been told that Toyota has started building the 1.5-litre and 2.0-litre hybrid engines in limited quantities. It is said that the company is building around a couple of engines per week.

Some of the newly built hybrid engines are being used for initial testing and optimization. Production is expected to be ramped up once this phase is over.

Toyota is also said to be building a 2.0-litre petrol engine. However, which models from Toyota's portfolio will use it is anyone's guess.

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Old 27th February 2022, 23:41   #2
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Toyota is also said to be building a 2.0-litre petrol engine. However, which models from Toyota's portfolio will use it is anyone's guess.
Is this something they're building in limited numbers for the launch of their GR division? Or will these be powering their next gen Innovas and Fortuners? Only time will tell.
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Looks like Toyota is finally gearing up for new launches in India, with the engines currently in production we should soon see prototypes in roads soon. That should give us a clearer picture about the cars and the engines used them.

Regarding the 2.0 liter engine, i think it would be used by the upcoming 560B, seems perfect for a MPV, or maybe an alternative engine for the mid-size SUV.
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When everybody is focusing on EVs, this indeed looks like an excellent news.
Maruti will be hugely benefited from this. Maruti always plays a master stroke in choosing the correct partner. Earlier we all know, how the Fiat's diesel engine did wonders for Maruti.

The Toyota Prius was launched in India, much ahead of it's time. They already have the 1.8L, 4 cylinder Prius engine.
But, as it's mentioned, this one is going to be a completely new engine. This should be a cheaper one, else keeping in mind Toyota's pricing, they can't place it as a Creta rival.

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Toyota is said to have started producing strong hybrid engines in India. These engines are likely to power the brand's upcoming mid-size SUV (Hyundai Creta rival) and the next-gen Innova.

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We have been told that Toyota has started building the 1.5-litre and 2.0-litre hybrid engines in limited quantities. It is said that the company is building around a couple of engines per week.

Some of the newly built hybrid engines are being used for initial testing and optimization. Production is expected to be ramped up once this phase is over.

Toyota is also said to be building a 2.0-litre petrol engine. However, which models from Toyota's portfolio will use it is anyone's guess.
Finally another giant has woken up

1.5L hybrid is most probably for the YFG-D22 Maruti-Suzuki & Toyota's Creta-rival.

Meanwhile the 2L hybrid will be for the B560 MPV slated to be launched in 2023.

And I wish the new 2L petrol that they are building is a turbo unit and not a Naturally-aspirated one. The current-gen Innova Crysta and Fortuner truly
deserve a turbo-petrol rather than the bullet-proof but old naturally aspirated 2.7L unit!
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Indeed, finally the giant wakes up! While electric cars might be the future, their mass market aspirations are a distant dream due to many challenges (price, range, charging infrastructure).

On the other hand, hybrids can be the game-changing technology of "today". Camry Hybrid owners report getting 14 - 15 kmpl overall in the city. Can you imagine what a 1.5L Hybrid Ciaz, Vitara Brezza or Creta-rival will do? Easily 20 - 25 kmpl. Imagine the impact of such a product in a market obsessed with fuel efficiency numbers. An Innova Petrol Hybrid giving 15 kmpl will pull a lot of customers away from the diesel variant which has traditionally been the preferred engine.

Bring it on, Toyota & Maruti.
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Finally another giant has woken up

1.5L hybrid is most probably for the YFG-D22 Maruti-Suzuki & Toyota's Creta-rival.

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If it is the 1.5L engine, it could be the 'Yaris hybrid' for India, unless they have integrated Maruti Suzuki's 1.5L engine?

Either way it will have phenomenal mileage figures.


Toyota Hybrid system:

- Yaris (3 cyld.1.5-litre hybrid engine (known internally by its M15A-FXE codename), exceptionally high thermal efficiency of 40%, which ensures that more of the energy potential from each drop of fuel is captured.
M15A-FXE runs on the Atkinson combustion cycle, which keeps the intake valves open for longer in order to delay the compression stroke and improve efficiency. It offers a maximum output of 91hp at 5,500rpm and peak torque of 120Nm at just 3,600rpm. A total system output of 116 PS, from a 91 hp/120 Nm 1,490 cc litre inline-three-cylinder Atkinson-cycle engine and a 79 hp/141 Nm electric motor.

Mileage of ~ 28km/l on the WLTP testing protocol

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Pardon me if I am asking this too early but what would be the price range if a Creta rival is launched with 1.5L hybrid engine? Currently a mid Variant Creta petrol costs around 14.5 lacs and diesel around 15.5. I think high mileage users would still prefer diesel if the hybrid costs more than diesel. Add to this the replacement cost of lithium ion battery and the balance shifts towards diesel again. As per my understanding, manufacturers are planning to offer Hybrids as an alternative to diesel cars but that would only play out if the initial cost of Hybrid is atleast at par with diesel or Diesels are thrown out of market when stricter emission norms come into effect. Surely, those buyers who have less usage but want a more punchier and cleaner drivetrain would still prefer Hybrids.
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Pardon me if I am asking this too early but what would be the price range if a Creta rival is launched with 1.5L hybrid engine?---
IMO, with multiple engines on offer, the Hybrid will likely come in the top ( or 2) variant only.
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IMO, with multiple engines on offer, the Hybrid will likely come in the top ( or 2) variant only.
That means a price range of 18-20 lacs for Hybird going but the current trends. At this price it would be out of budget for price conscious buyers.
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Woohoo!!!!

About time. Even if one is left scratching their heads on which all models will get these engines, production of hybrid engines and also the Dynamic Force family of engines in India is a big deal. So rumours of the D22 getting 1.5l and 2.0l engines turned out to be true. Add to that, if it is the 2.0l hybrid, the AWD rumour could also be very well true (courtesy E-Four AWD system).

But... The D22 is rumoured to be on the DNGA platform. So what are the 2.0l engines doing here? Especially the non hybrid 2.0l version. The B560 MPV is also rumoured to be based on the DNGA platform. So is it some other models? The Kijang hybrid? Or is the Corolla Cross/ Rav4 coming? Or are they going straddle segments all the way from Creta to Compass? Or have they managed to modify the DNGA platform to take in bigger engines?

Regarding the D22 project. For a developed for India brand new model expected to be launched within one year, the lack of test mule sightings or scoop pics is weird. But then, the Japs have always been super secretive while testing.
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Hybrids are so damn efficient! I bought the Camry 6 months back and have been consistently seeing 18-19 kmpl in city driving.
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This is indeed a welcome move and signs of times to come. When the engine (proposed) of the flagship product (MPV) is changed to 'strong hybrid', it shows the reading and conviction of Toyota on how the Indian market is poised to evolve.

Another point to be noted is that Toyota was not a great proponent of Electric cars and have spent money on refining hybrid and other fuel sources (H2 fuel cell etc). Making such a strong commitment (on hybrid vehicles) in the Indian market , which apparently is preferring EVs (with 2 wheelers already leading the way) is to be watched and analysed closely.

The good point here is either ways the coin flips, it is the Indian consumer who stand to gain.
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Finally! I have been waiting for this for quite some time. Always drooled over the Camry’s petrol hybrid engine. As GTO said, this is the need of the hour and will be a proper option for consumers without having to worry about range, charging infrastructure etc. Moreover, this combo is much more eco friendly than petrol/diesel counterparts. The enthusiast in me also wish for a diesel hybrid engine which Jeep(Fiat) seems to have developed already. Bring it on Toyota and Fiat…
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A Creta Rival with a proper 1.5L Petrol Hybrid from Toyota. Now we are taking baby !! I am ready when you are !
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