[jthomas]

Originally Posted by simplysaj

50 - R18 tyres seems to be a wrong choice for a heavy MPV like this. Remember many had issues with tyre damages and alloy deformation with Innova's low profile tyres, wheels and Toyota switched to a higher profile low dia rim.

SRK design rendering of Hycross is awesome. What would be the size of these tyre and alloys?

https://youtu.be/LkPE2LFicoQ

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by TopLiveCentre

No sir, diesel is unlikely to be punished pan India given the trucks crisscrossing the country run on them.

If they pass a rule decrying diesel can only be sold to yellow number plate vehicles, then this sentiment will change upside down.

[volkman10]

Innova Zenix, first drive report from Indonesia:

In a location that has an area of almost 10,000 m2 with special tracks such as speed Bump, Flooding Tub, Slope Hill, Smooth Asphalt, Acceleration and Braking, Pothole, U-turn and zigzag. A little note, for a pothole track with rocks we deliberately skipped for the hybrid variant. Due to the body-kit section dangle slightly down we were worried about damaging the bottom of the bumper. What we tested is the Q hybrid type aka the most expensive and the V gasoline type.

Impressions on Hybrid Version:

- As soon as the engine started, there was no sound and vibration accompanying it, only the movement of the needle on the instrument panel indicating that the engine is already running.

- Once run at low speed, there is the sound to signal that "this car is off the road again." Then at the speed bump track, the suspension and the seats are enough to dampen the shocks.

- Once accelerated, it felt like this hybrid engine was more effortless to carry the car body running.

-In a zigzag track, there are still a few symptoms of body-roll.

- The braking is also quite good, not blurring thanks to the addition of disc brakes at the rear.

- The 360 cameras on the q type can only be used when it enters reverse gear. ( any setting needed?)

- Once into the reverse gear the audio sound also automatically reduces, this is important so that it can hear the noise from the parking boy more clearly.

Impressions Petrol Version (Non-Hybrid)

- To accelerate is indeed a bit of an effort compared to the hybrid one

- The slams are also softer thanks to the use of 17-inch rims and tires with a thicker profile. However, the symptoms are more pronounced than the hybrid one.

-The steering wheel also feels heavier compared to the hybrid version, even though both use EPS and smaller rims.

Conclusion:

- In conclusion, the latest generation Kijang Innova, aka Zenix, is enough to fix the shortcomings that exist in the reborn generation.

-Unfortunately, some of the features that exist in the reborn generation are not embedded in this generation of Zenix. In the future, some additional complementary features may be added, although they may only be available in the top types such as rear foglamp, TPMS, Kick sensor trunk, and full LED rear lights.


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[MarutiGuy1977]

Originally Posted by jthomas

SRK design rendering of Hycross is awesome. What would be the size of these tyre and alloys?

https://Youtu.be/LkPE2LFicoQ

These modifications should be better off on the VX trim which doesn't have the sun roof. Though we have heard in the case of the XUV7OO and other larger cars with a sun roof that a roof carrier is possible, but i would personally not go for it.

[Carpainter]

I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question but would like to know if this hybrid is E20 ready and if so why Toyota is so silent about it. India's push towards ethanol blending is just around the corner and although this issue is not particular to this car alone but all the petrol cars sold to this day but since they are launching mostly petrol and hybrid vehicles these days and E20 norms may well be implemented within a year or two, it should be revealed if the new cars can be converted to be compatible with upcoming norms or not. What say...

[k_ajay]

Originally Posted by aniketi

Has anybody noticed that Innova Hycross looks quite similar to MG Hector? Clearly Innova has taken some clues from it. Both looks quite similar for sure. Innova being new looks little better in pics. It has more SUV looks than MPV. Only thing missed is diesel motor. In my opinion, if this doesn't sell in volume, Toyota will put diesel motor in it. After all business needs volume.

You know, in my post I made earlier in the day, I was just going to make this same observation, that the HyCross (from the front 3 quarter, at least) looks a lot like MG Hector. And that if this wasn't a 33L-37L+ model and was in the 20Ls, Hector would be sweating a lot (along with other SUVs in that price range).
Nice to see someone else has seen it in the same perspective.

Originally Posted by simplysaj

50 - R18 tyres seems to be a wrong choice for a heavy MPV like this. Remember many had issues with tyre damages and alloy deformation with Innova's low profile tyres, wheels and Toyota switched to a higher profile low dia rim.

I think so too. For a vehicle this size and weight, and considering what this vehicle will be used for and by whom, it should have been shod with 60 or 65 profile tyres. Would have done it a lot more good.

[JayG]

Originally Posted by Carpainter

I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question but would like to know if this hybrid is E20 ready and if so why Toyota is so silent about it. India's push towards ethanol blending is just around the corner and although this issue is not particular to this car alone but all the petrol cars sold to this day but since they are launching mostly petrol and hybrid vehicles these days and E20 norms may well be implemented within a year or two, it should be revealed if the new cars can be converted to be compatible with upcoming norms or not. What say...

True. They all seem to be riding on buyers hopes. In June this year, the manager and sales adviser of a regional TKM dealership responded that they were not even aware of such a thing like fuel blending. On showing the policy link the ‘copy paste’ response ensued “we do not have any information from TKM”.
An email to TKM on E20 was deflected to dealership customer care, who also parroted the same and quipped “Government cannot implement such decisions unilaterally and render millions of vehicles that have been taxed for 15 years and have obtained fitness road-unworthy. People and manufacturers will take legal recourse”.
So apparently no statement or any relevant adaptations till the inevitable moment.

[Shreyans_Jain]

Originally Posted by Carpainter

I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question but would like to know if this hybrid is E20 ready and if so why Toyota is so silent about it.

Originally Posted by JayG

True. They all seem to be riding on buyers hopes. In June this year, the manager and sales adviser of a regional TKM dealership responded that they were not even aware of such a thing like fuel blending. On showing the policy link the ‘copy paste’ response ensued “we do not have any information from TKM”.

There is no car in the market today that is E20 compliant. No immediately upcoming car is, either. E20 compliance is a bogey for sure as it is practically impossible to refurbish/retrofit millions of existing cars. Good thing is that government policy aims to offer both E20 as well as the normal E5 or E10 together. Existing cars will use this normal petrol, while new cars will all be E20 compliant once the policy comes into force.

Basically, they will charge you extra for normal (relatively unadulterated) petrol. At least the option will be there.

I don’t think this will be like the BS4/BS6 diesel scenario where all BS4 diesels are forced to run on BS6 diesel, regardless of consequences. My Hexa is on the verge of its second fuel pump failure in 18 months, and I have to think that BS6 diesel has played a part in this.

[drsachin]

Originally Posted by Carpainter

I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question but would like to know if this hybrid is E20 ready and if so why Toyota is so silent about it. India's push towards ethanol blending is just around the corner and although this issue is not particular to this car alone but all the petrol cars sold to this day but since they are launching mostly petrol and hybrid vehicles these days and E20 norms may well be implemented within a year or two, it should be revealed if the new cars can be converted to be compatible with upcoming norms or not. What say...

No sir neither Hyryder/Grand vitara nor Hycross is E20 complaint. If you check all the engines used by Toyota at Wikipedia. You will know that there is just one Engine M20KFKB produced by Toyota and used in a variant of Corolla/Corolla cross in Japan which is flex fuel compliant. And this one is not a strong Hybrid engine.

Not sure if strong hybrids by any car manufacturer(Toyota/Nissan/Honda) is flex fuel compliant. May be it's got something to do with "Atkinson cycle" used by these engines

[Venkatesh]

More interior pictures of the Hycross in the daylight - Link

















Rendered as cop car

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by drsachin

If you check all the engines used by Toyota at Wikipedia. You will know that there is just one Engine M20KFKB produced by Toyota and used in a variant of Corolla/Corolla cross in Japan which is flex fuel compliant. And this one is not a strong Hybrid engine...Not sure if strong hybrids by any car manufacturer(Toyota/Nissan/Honda) is flex fuel compliant. May be it's got something to do with "Atkinson cycle" used by these engines

I am sure there are E20 flex fuel models in the USA market.

The Corolla flex fuel hybrid that was bought recently to Delhi for lobbying is a flex fuel model.

https://www.team-bhp.com/news/flex-f...howcased-india

[xbox360]

[quote=volkman10;5449058]Innova Zenix, first drive report from Indonesia:

These guys seem to have gotten a mileage of 22+km/l while the display was showing somewhere in the 15 range.

You can turn on the close captions and auto translation to follow along -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb9-AiOjukY

[varunswnt]

Originally Posted by varunswnt

How much sense does it make to buy 7 seater GX 2.0 petrol automatic?

New GX comes with standard features like 8 inch infotainment, Electronic parking brake, Driving modes, Push start-stop with smart entry, Led headlights, Rear wash and wipe, Electrically operated ORVM.

The only things that could be termed as a miss are Cruise control, Paddle shifts, Rear demister and Sun shades.

Originally Posted by volkman10

Innova Zenix, first drive report from Indonesia:

Impressions Petrol Version (Non-Hybrid)

- To accelerate is indeed a bit of an effort compared to the hybrid one

- The slams are also softer thanks to the use of 17-inch rims and tires with a thicker profile. However, the symptoms are more pronounced than the hybrid one.

-The steering wheel also feels heavier compared to the hybrid version, even though both use EPS and smaller rims.

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This initial review on Non-Hybrid clearly makes me think that Innova Hycross will have more bookings for Hybrid that too ZX variant, unlike Innova Crysta where GX was more in demand as engine was same across board only Interiors needed fix which was easily done using after market accessories.

GX Hycross can't compete with GX Crysta on power but if someone is sedate driver then GX Hycross can workout to raise status symbol in society.

[drsachin]

Originally Posted by DicKy

I am sure there are E20 flex fuel models in the USA market.

The Corolla flex fuel hybrid that was bought recently to Delhi for lobbying is a flex fuel model.

https://www.team-bhp.com/news/flex-f...howcased-india

Yes there are lots of E20 flexfuel compliant cars in USA and Brazil by different manufacturers. Infact in Brazil there are also Flexfuel kits available which can convert normal cars to flexfuel cars.

Regarding the flexfuel hybrid Corolla Altis which was introduced in India, was the same car which was introduced in Brazil with engine M20AFKB , that i am talking about. But as per Wikipedia M20AFKB is a variant of non hybrid engine family. Hence the confusion. May be they are not using Atkinson cycle in this engine. Anyway it's a well-known fact that flexfuel engines are not as fuel efficient as proper petrol engines, so may be used a non Atkinson cycle engine to produce this petrol Hybrid, so providing flexfuel fuel abilities ar the cost of some fuel efficiency loss.
Not much details are available anywhere to confirm about this engine ,so whatever I stated as based on assumptions only.

The reason I said Flexfuels may not be compatible with Atkinson cycle engines as this Atkinson cycle engines require highly purified petrols(Higher octane fuels preferred)

[drsachin]

Originally Posted by Livnletcarsliv

It is not just about the mileage. It's also about the maintenance cost, and the maintenance itself. Fewer parts are less complicated. And since this is a Hybrid, it is not just more parts, but more electronic parts that are alien to the yellow board users (even to private users I believe). Again the cost and the longevity of the battery are also high-risk areas for yellow board users.

Please check this link , and you will know what Toyota has done to improve reliability in hybrids over conventional cars.

https://www.torquenews.com/1083/its-...rands-vehicles