[Nilesh5417]

Originally Posted by Gypsian

Union transport minister says petrol will be available only for the next 5 years in India and would be substituted by indigenously produced bio ethanol. https://pipanews.com/nitin-gadkari-s...er-five-years/

All this humbug to save petro-dollars. The government only takes away abruptly what is already in use and does not provide with decent alternatives. Why spend so much on road infra instead of prioritising good public transport and railway network? Only cause road infra is easy, visible and benefits politicians vs. planning public transportation requires careful long term planning and where is the ongoing benefit to politicos once it's setup?
And what about th zillion vehicles already on roads and the impact this will have on people who own them?
Leadership is all about having a vision and then letting the people figure things out for themselves i guess.

[Phukan23]

Originally Posted by Gansan

^^ Petrol brands that sell at a good premium will not contain ethanol. Such as Speed 97.

Normal petrol as well as "normal premium" such as Speeed, Power etc which cost just a couple of rupees more will contain ethanol.

So 95 Octane and above fuel won't contain ethanol right?

[Gansan]

Originally Posted by Phukan23

So 95 Octane and above fuel won't contain ethanol right?

97 Octane and 100 Octane will definitely not contain ethanol.

[anjan_c2007]

A very common damage suffered by the galvanised metal, petrol tanks will be rusting from the interior for non ethanol complaint motor vehicles. We have already discussed about the fuel lines and the damaging effects ethanol could have on them.

As we know, ethanol is hygroscopic and releases water vapour when stagnant in particular humidity and temperature conditions.Cars and bikes that are not much used will suffer the brunt of such damage.

The remedy could be by adding some 20 ml of 2T oil per litre of petrol, that some of my friends have already started adding and this may reduce the rust component.

However, cleaning the metallic petrol tank once every two or three years will have to from now on become a ritual.

[apollo_1999]

I find this kind of decisions by the Govt is completely obnoxious. Adding another extra 10% of ethanol in petrol will have a long term damages on our cars. There is also a chance of prices of new vehicle going up since manufacturers will have to develop new components to comply with the norms.
There are many ways that the govt can imply to save Dollars on fuel bills but increasing ethanol quantity in fuel is not the best way.

[volkman10]

Toyota will unveil a flex-fuel car (SUV - Yaris Cross?) in India on September 28th.

Flex-fuel powered Toyota will be a pilot project for India.

The minister's call for flex fuel vehicles isn’t new, however, the big news is the imminent arrival of a flex-fuel capable car with the Minister saying that “On the 28th of this month, I am going to launch the Toyota flex-engine car in Delhi.

[TusharK]

Official quote from Honda regarding the compatibility of existing vehicles with E20 fuel:

Regarding the existing Honda vehicles and their compatibility to the new fuel grade (E20) which has been recently introduced in select cities, Mr Yuichi Murata, Director, Marketing and Sales, Honda Cars India said, “All Honda cars manufactured in India since 1 Jan 2009 are E20 Material Compatible and customers can use the new grade of E20 fuel in their existing Honda cars without the need of changing any part in the car. Honda is dedicated to providing the most advanced technology to help the government achieve its goal of greener and cleaner transportation. We constantly strive to fulfil our commitment to offer cutting edge and futuristic product line-up to meet these requirements ahead of time.”

[fiat_tarun]

Originally Posted by Gansan

97 Octane and 100 Octane will definitely not contain ethanol.

Is there a source that confirms this ? As per discussion with people in the industry, ethanol by default has a higher octane rating than petrol and hence blended fuels tend to have a higher octance rating.

By this logic it'll be easier to produce higher octance fuel with an ethanol blend.


Additionally, I understand the petrol we buy today already has an average 10-12% ethanol blend, so older vehicles not E10 ready will definitely have faster wear and tear over time.

[igemini]

Originally Posted by fiat_tarun

Additionally, I understand the petrol we buy today already has an average 10-12% ethanol blend, so older vehicles not E10 ready will definitely have faster wear and tear over time.

In fact, some of the pumps are dispensing E20 fuel itself. As confirmed by HPCL themselves. Please see the screenshot that I posted on the other thread.

This is very concerning.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...ml#post5564992 (Speed 97 and High RON petrol discussion thread)

[el lobo 6061]

Originally Posted by igemini

In fact, some of the pumps are dispensing E20 fuel itself. As confirmed by HPCL themselves. Please see the screenshot that I posted on the other thread.

This is very concerning.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...ml#post5564992 (Speed 97 and High RON petrol discussion thread)

Govt mandate for E20 petrol throughout India is from 01 April 2025.

Already launched in 84 petrol pumps in 11 states from 01 Feb 2023.
Source:

Later on all COCO pumps will move to E20 petrol first as these being operated by Government wont face any resistance.

Later on private operated PSU pumps once E20 being only one available from refinery.

[vijaykr]

Just came across this article today...

https://www.autocarpro.in/news/e20-f...by-2025-115793

There is no mention of how vehicles are to adapt to this higher ethanol content in fuel

[anjan_c2007]

Originally Posted by vijaykr

There is no mention of how vehicles are to adapt to this higher ethanol content in fuel

Many publications toe the official thinking process without any comments and critical views of their own.

Indeed, most of the current BS VI (second phase) motor vehicles compatible with the 10% threshold will also not be able to digest the 20% blending.

And the older vintages, classics, non BS or later BS stage motor vehicles need to be slow poisoned and ultimately grounded, with the 20% blending. This can be very well deciphered and concluded from both the government’s unstated views but overt actions and quite a few such publications' silence on these matters.