Indica DICOR: Imminent?

sgmuser · 17th June 2007, 12:45

Is this the manual common for those DICORised Indicas exported to Europe? It is very common that the auto manuals are useless as the manufacturers never give a specific version for a model.

rags · 17th June 2007, 13:03

that's a thinker you are absolutely right

a indica with turbo and with ac on will die to cross 100 kmph with dicor and additional 10 bhp will not cross 110 max with gas pedal pushed to metal .

CrAzY dRiVeR · 17th June 2007, 15:40

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Originally Posted by greenhorn

white!

also, the manual has a page for optional wurth sound deadening along with the underbody treatment and 3M coating

White looks pretty good! Make sure you maintain it well.

I hope all that is said in the manual is not by some mistake.

@jkdas: The manual lists seperate weight for ABS option model, Only for the DiCOR version.

deep_bang · 17th June 2007, 19:12

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Originally Posted by rags

that's a thinker you are absolutely right

a indica with turbo and with ac on will die to cross 100 kmph with dicor and additional 10 bhp will not cross 110 max with gas pedal pushed to metal .

I have a DLS and have comfortable gone to 120 with AC on (AC was working at that time). And i am a light footer, cant think of pressing pedal to metal..

king_julian · 17th June 2007, 19:24

Today I found myself behind a white Indica with DICOR written on the boot - it had a temporary (red) registration sticker. This was on the old Pune-Mumbai highway within Pune city limits - showed it to my wife just to make sure that I was not hallucinating from all the pollution. There was no camoflage on the car. Could not take any photos though.

Thanks,
Amit.

sallubhai · 17th June 2007, 20:18

Just now I saw an advertisement on TV (Channel - Star One) from Tata Motors stating that Indica DICOR is ready!!

tushky · 17th June 2007, 20:20

well i have some old photo's. about 6 months old.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 17th June 2007, 22:14

Hmmm. Typically TATA. One wheel painted white, and the other painted black! lol!

@King julian: The Indica DiCOR you saw, was it of the new model or the older one as seen in the pic posted by tushky. Any visual changes with the current one?

@tushky: as usual. Great job! Right place, right time.

deep_bang · 17th June 2007, 22:59

great to hear that the Dicor Indica is already out. I expect that Tata may place Dicor at a premium to the current Indica and continue to sell the current ranges. What i heard about the Indigo Dicor, is that, there is not a great deal of refinement (atleast in the current avatar) in Dicor compared to Non-Dicor Indigo. So,in the long term, assuming the refinement is just a little better, Tata may be thinking of placing V2-Dicor as a entry level diesel, which due to Dicor can go beyond 2010 when the Bharat4 emmision norms kick in. While the V3 series can capture the swift market (possibly with the fiat engine).
Yeah.. i am thinking too long...

Zappo · 18th June 2007, 00:45

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Originally Posted by rags

that's a thinker you are absolutely right

a indica with turbo and with ac on will die to cross 100 kmph with dicor and additional 10 bhp will not cross 110 max with gas pedal pushed to metal .

Huh! what gave you that idea mate? FYI, a turbo intercooled indica with 4 people on board and loads of luggage and AC set to speed 3 in peak hot summer easily runs at 130kmph without "pedal to the metal" and without feeling breathless. The engine nicely chugs at 2800 rpm at this stage on 5th gear, much below the redline. So there.

P.S. : And this is something that was not tested for a brief period or a few kms. We ran at that speed for 100s of kms continuously on smooth tarmac when the car was so smooth that two people at the back slept peacefully for more than 2 hours. Search and read my Goa travelogue.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 18th June 2007, 01:01

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Originally Posted by deep_bang

great to hear that the Dicor Indica is already out. I expect that Tata may place Dicor at a premium to the current Indica and continue to sell the current ranges. What i heard about the Indigo Dicor, is that, there is not a great deal of refinement (atleast in the current avatar) in Dicor compared to Non-Dicor Indigo. So,in the long term, assuming the refinement is just a little better, Tata may be thinking of placing V2-Dicor as a entry level diesel, which due to Dicor can go beyond 2010 when the Bharat4 emmision norms kick in. While the V3 series can capture the swift market (possibly with the fiat engine).
Yeah.. i am thinking too long...

They cant afford to ask a big premium above the current Turbo, cause of the Swift DDiS threat above it!

tsk1979 · 18th June 2007, 01:06

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Originally Posted by rags

that's a thinker you are absolutely right

a indica with turbo and with ac on will die to cross 100 kmph with dicor and additional 10 bhp will not cross 110 max with gas pedal pushed to metal .

My 5 year old indica still crosses 120. Turbo ones does 140 easily. I wonder where you got your figures from?

sgmuser · 18th June 2007, 08:27

Dicor versions of Indigo didn't create much excitement. Reviews and TDs say the FE/grunt when comparing with the existing TD isn't better. Refinement level is improved but not so great still and now why would someone want to be at risk of testing a new engine?

You know what, I started to look for car a to replace my Santro for my dad's use. From Innova, Scorpio, SX4, then Accent CRDi, Swift VDi and then currently Iam now, hovering over an brand new Indica DLX Turbo. Cheap to own/run/maintain and spacious. I believe in terms of understanding the market, TATA can not be beaten. As everyone is crying CRDi, they just wanted to have it as well it seems. Atleast it looks like it when comparing with the CRDi from Swift and Indigo's CRDi.

For the existing model, feedback from Turbo Indica users is very good and build quality levels are improving day by day. TATA rocks! check out the specs...

Turbo (non turbo)

Top speed : 154kmph! (134kmph)
bhp : 68@4500 (53.5@5000)
torque : 127.48@2500 (85@2500)
bhp/t : 65 (51)
0-100kmph : 15.xx seconds! (22.xx) (Full 7 seconds!)
over all FE : 14kmpl (13) from various sources/TDs

People...pls get real facts and then post messages. You are in tbhp forum and not in just another forum. We talk with nos! :-)

jkdas · 18th June 2007, 09:08

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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Hmmm. Typically TATA. One wheel painted white, and the other painted black! lol!

that should be coz its the spare wheel

tsk1979 · 18th June 2007, 10:54

The most interesting thing in specs is
For turbo the max torque is 130Nm at 2500rpm, while for DICOR its 140Nm at 1400-2750rpm, and peak power is at 4000rpm instead of 4500rpm.
So I guess the in gear acceleration figures are going to be a hoot.
This also explains the top speed of 160kmph as compared to 145-150 for the TCIC versions.

17th June 2007, 12:45	#16
sgmuser BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 755 Thanked: 1,123 Times View My Garage	Is this the manual common for those DICORised Indicas exported to Europe? It is very common that the auto manuals are useless as the manufacturers never give a specific version for a model.
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17th June 2007, 13:03	#17
rags BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 54 Thanked: 4 Times	that's a thinker you are absolutely right a indica with turbo and with ac on will die to cross 100 kmph with dicor and additional 10 bhp will not cross 110 max with gas pedal pushed to metal .
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17th June 2007, 19:24	#20
king_julian BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 99 Thanked: 3 Times View My Garage	Today I found myself behind a white Indica with DICOR written on the boot - it had a temporary (red) registration sticker. This was on the old Pune-Mumbai highway within Pune city limits - showed it to my wife just to make sure that I was not hallucinating from all the pollution. There was no camoflage on the car. Could not take any photos though. Thanks, Amit.
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17th June 2007, 20:18	#21
sallubhai BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: kolkata Posts: 113 Thanked: 68 Times	Just now I saw an advertisement on TV (Channel - Star One) from Tata Motors stating that Indica DICOR is ready!!
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17th June 2007, 20:20	#22
tushky Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 1,232 Thanked: 2,701 Times View My Garage	well i have some old photo's. about 6 months old. Last edited by tushky : 17th June 2007 at 20:26.
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17th June 2007, 22:14	#23
CrAzY dRiVeR Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore / TVM Posts: 17,180 Thanked: 73,492 Times View My Garage	Hmmm. Typically TATA. One wheel painted white, and the other painted black! lol! @King julian: The Indica DiCOR you saw, was it of the new model or the older one as seen in the pic posted by tushky. Any visual changes with the current one? @tushky: as usual. Great job! Right place, right time.
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17th June 2007, 22:59	#24
deep_bang BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore / Boise Posts: 888 Thanked: 1,271 Times	great to hear that the Dicor Indica is already out. I expect that Tata may place Dicor at a premium to the current Indica and continue to sell the current ranges. What i heard about the Indigo Dicor, is that, there is not a great deal of refinement (atleast in the current avatar) in Dicor compared to Non-Dicor Indigo. So,in the long term, assuming the refinement is just a little better, Tata may be thinking of placing V2-Dicor as a entry level diesel, which due to Dicor can go beyond 2010 when the Bharat4 emmision norms kick in. While the V3 series can capture the swift market (possibly with the fiat engine). Yeah.. i am thinking too long...
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18th June 2007, 08:27	#28
sgmuser BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 755 Thanked: 1,123 Times View My Garage	Dicor versions of Indigo didn't create much excitement. Reviews and TDs say the FE/grunt when comparing with the existing TD isn't better. Refinement level is improved but not so great still and now why would someone want to be at risk of testing a new engine? You know what, I started to look for car a to replace my Santro for my dad's use. From Innova, Scorpio, SX4, then Accent CRDi, Swift VDi and then currently Iam now, hovering over an brand new Indica DLX Turbo. Cheap to own/run/maintain and spacious. I believe in terms of understanding the market, TATA can not be beaten. As everyone is crying CRDi, they just wanted to have it as well it seems. Atleast it looks like it when comparing with the CRDi from Swift and Indigo's CRDi. For the existing model, feedback from Turbo Indica users is very good and build quality levels are improving day by day. TATA rocks! check out the specs... Turbo (non turbo) Top speed : 154kmph! (134kmph) bhp : 68@4500 (53.5@5000) torque : 127.48@2500 (85@2500) bhp/t : 65 (51) 0-100kmph : 15.xx seconds! (22.xx) (Full 7 seconds!) over all FE : 14kmpl (13) from various sources/TDs People...pls get real facts and then post messages. You are in tbhp forum and not in just another forum. We talk with nos! :-) Last edited by sgmuser : 18th June 2007 at 08:44. Reason: too add some stats...
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18th June 2007, 10:54	#30
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	The most interesting thing in specs is For turbo the max torque is 130Nm at 2500rpm, while for DICOR its 140Nm at 1400-2750rpm, and peak power is at 4000rpm instead of 4500rpm. So I guess the in gear acceleration figures are going to be a hoot. This also explains the top speed of 160kmph as compared to 145-150 for the TCIC versions.
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