Why Swift DDiS and NOT Indigo DICOR ???

abhibh · 18th June 2007, 19:58

NOTE: THIS IS NOT A CAR BUYING QUERY

Hi,

I am gonna buy new car soon so i was considering a diesel (not much of diesel lover but this car will be used by everyone). So i was checking out all the Common rail diesels offerings. Though i am gonna wait until December - Jan so that i am more open to options. Was going through the prices in Chandigarh and swift DDiS Costs 5.10 lacs and Tata Indigo Dicor Pricing:

LS DICOR-BS III Rs. 5,28,136/-

And they are giving 20K cash discount on it. So that makes INDIGO DICOR around 5.08 lacs.

Now i know TATA people are not offering ABS but at the same price as Swift DDiS(Without ABS) one gets a bigger, more comfier and a tad bit safer car. Now Swift wins in handling, power and some other simple factors. Now if Swift was being offered with ABS / Airbags there was no need of this thread coz lot of us prefer Swift (P) Zxi over Ikon etc due to safety and features, but if we look at the options now then isn't INDIGO seems to be a better buy ???

Has all the features what Swift DDiS offers so why not buy INDIGO instead of Swift

Comments ???

P.S. I am not buying any of them in coming months until Jan. If Punto will come in 2008 before April i will wait till April.

BUSA · 18th June 2007, 20:05

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Has all the features what Swift DDiS offers so why not buy INDIGO instead of Swift

The Swift DDiS engine is reason enough to buy it, while looking for diesel cars the indigo wasnot in my list, The Fiesta was but highly out of my budget. The Swift's handling, gearbox, looks FE & Engine, performance, torque are miles ahead of the Indigo, plus the niggling and reliability issues with Tata and Tata boasts of VGT et all, why o why?

ballkey · 18th June 2007, 20:17

Apart from what BUSA said, the NVH levels are awful in an Indigo - this is based on a test-drive I did about an year ago. The Gear stick vibrated like a creaky old bus, and the noise was truck-like. Maybe I had a bad test-drive car; but I dont think it compares with a Swift still.

Vid6639 · 18th June 2007, 20:29

Very interesting thread. I guess it depends on what the buyer needs are.

If I were to chose between the 2 it would be the swift D only because I would need it as my second car.

If it was a family with luggage then the only option would be the DICOR indigo. But if it was just for a family with no kids then again the swift would suffice.

I guess the engine would take a back seat if my need was space.

ps: what are the more options you have in mind available in dec-jan?

CrAzY dRiVeR · 18th June 2007, 20:36

Q. Why Indigo instead of Swift?

Ans: Space, boot. Seemingly better VFM.
Q. Why Swift instead of Indigo?

Gem of an engine, 190 Nm of torque, Much better NVH levels, Maruti service network, handling, reliability, longer expected life of model (indigo model might be in for a change in 2-3 years)

manikjeet · 18th June 2007, 20:38

Ok let me put you this way indigo is truck (sorry to the current owner) why would you buy a car with a trucks engine and i hate tata because they are unreliable and i have pretty bad experience with them. they don't have the snob value of that of a swift

buy indigo if you cann't afford and bigger and a better car and bhai after driving fiesta why would you buy a indigo please donn't go for it and remember i can get you cars cheap and you know how

DCEite · 18th June 2007, 20:40

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Originally Posted by manikjeet

remember i can get you cars cheap and you know how

I also want to know

king_julian · 18th June 2007, 20:43

Crazy Driver's answer is succinct and explains the relative merits very well.

The only thing that I want to add after test driving both the cars is this - the Indigo is a car that I would take out if I needed to go somewhere and the Swift Diesel is a car that would make me take it for a spin on weeknights or a longish drive on weekends. I just wish they provided high end safety features like airbags as an option (sigh...).

Thanks,
Amit.

manikjeet · 18th June 2007, 20:46

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Originally Posted by DCEite

I also want to know

i get a discount on cars as we get them directly from the factory but cann't tell you how

horsepower · 18th June 2007, 22:47

Dude, you got to drive one to know why. The way engine responds to your right foot is awesome. Whenever you accelerate you are pushed back on your seats, such is the power.

If you like driving then swift is the obvious choice and will not mind paying premium, Indigo is VFM product which is good for commuting from A to B. Nothing more nothing less.

Maybe by year end there will be discount on swift diesel.

theMAG · 18th June 2007, 22:55

The Indigo is definitely the better VFM proposition between the two; also keeping in mind the family usage

pogusingh · 18th June 2007, 23:35

Go for
Swift, if you want
a) Refinement
b) Reliability
c) Good handling
d) good finish

Indigo , if you want
a) space
b) VFM
c) comfort

abhibh · 18th June 2007, 23:44

Arey i clearly stated THIS IS NOT A CAR BUYING QUERY. I am not buying it. I was just giving a thought to what diesels offerings are currently there in the market as i gonna buy one. And i have driven both of them and redlined them too during test drives.

@manik u know na after driving fiesta even skoda feels like vibrating truck to me at times lol... no offence..

If given a chance i will pick up swift but the main question that lies here is why will common man choose swift. The indigo NHV levels i agree but people still buy it and its more comfier, bigger than swift. And keeping in mind my family usage swift will do just fine. Coz sis will be in US in August. DAD and me both like small cars rather than sedans specially for city use and highway trips are like maximum 5 in an year.

greenhorn · 19th June 2007, 02:04

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Now i know TATA people are not offering ABS

The indica Dicor will have ABS . and i guess it will be launched soon
check the specs i stumbled onto here http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...-imminent.html

tsk1979 · 19th June 2007, 08:56

Because one is a car and the other is a "cruck"(not my own word, courtesy rt)
I have driven almost all Tata's and between family owned everything right from the V-1 cractor to non Intercooled indigo to the indica turbo.
1. Refinement levels are not there
2. Power delivery is not really nice. Check out my test drive
3. Fit and finish is not upto the mark

Of course the space is amazing. And the value for money is unbeatable. 10 horses more and the DICOR would have been a good powerful sedan, but right now its an underpowered cruck.

18th June 2007, 19:58	#1
abhibh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in the HOOD near you! Posts: 2,768 Thanked: 39 Times	Why Swift DDiS and NOT Indigo DICOR ??? NOTE: THIS IS NOT A CAR BUYING QUERY Hi, I am gonna buy new car soon so i was considering a diesel (not much of diesel lover but this car will be used by everyone). So i was checking out all the Common rail diesels offerings. Though i am gonna wait until December - Jan so that i am more open to options. Was going through the prices in Chandigarh and swift DDiS Costs 5.10 lacs and Tata Indigo Dicor Pricing: LS DICOR-BS III Rs. 5,28,136/- And they are giving 20K cash discount on it. So that makes INDIGO DICOR around 5.08 lacs. Now i know TATA people are not offering ABS but at the same price as Swift DDiS(Without ABS) one gets a bigger, more comfier and a tad bit safer car. Now Swift wins in handling, power and some other simple factors. Now if Swift was being offered with ABS / Airbags there was no need of this thread coz lot of us prefer Swift (P) Zxi over Ikon etc due to safety and features, but if we look at the options now then isn't INDIGO seems to be a better buy ??? Has all the features what Swift DDiS offers so why not buy INDIGO instead of Swift Comments ??? P.S. I am not buying any of them in coming months until Jan. If Punto will come in 2008 before April i will wait till April.
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18th June 2007, 20:17	#3
ballkey BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 425 Thanked: 34 Times	Apart from what BUSA said, the NVH levels are awful in an Indigo - this is based on a test-drive I did about an year ago. The Gear stick vibrated like a creaky old bus, and the noise was truck-like. Maybe I had a bad test-drive car; but I dont think it compares with a Swift still.
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18th June 2007, 20:29	#4
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,728 Thanked: 43,463 Times View My Garage	Very interesting thread. I guess it depends on what the buyer needs are. If I were to chose between the 2 it would be the swift D only because I would need it as my second car. If it was a family with luggage then the only option would be the DICOR indigo. But if it was just for a family with no kids then again the swift would suffice. I guess the engine would take a back seat if my need was space. ps: what are the more options you have in mind available in dec-jan?
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18th June 2007, 20:36	#5
CrAzY dRiVeR Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore / TVM Posts: 17,176 Thanked: 73,485 Times View My Garage	Q. Why Indigo instead of Swift? Ans: Space, boot. Seemingly better VFM. Q. Why Swift instead of Indigo? Gem of an engine, 190 Nm of torque, Much better NVH levels, Maruti service network, handling, reliability, longer expected life of model (indigo model might be in for a change in 2-3 years)
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18th June 2007, 20:38	#6
manikjeet Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: chandigarh Posts: 1,618 Thanked: 295 Times View My Garage	Ok let me put you this way indigo is truck (sorry to the current owner) why would you buy a car with a trucks engine and i hate tata because they are unreliable and i have pretty bad experience with them. they don't have the snob value of that of a swift buy indigo if you cann't afford and bigger and a better car and bhai after driving fiesta why would you buy a indigo please donn't go for it and remember i can get you cars cheap and you know how Last edited by manikjeet : 18th June 2007 at 20:42.
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18th June 2007, 20:43	#8
king_julian BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 99 Thanked: 3 Times View My Garage	Crazy Driver's answer is succinct and explains the relative merits very well. The only thing that I want to add after test driving both the cars is this - the Indigo is a car that I would take out if I needed to go somewhere and the Swift Diesel is a car that would make me take it for a spin on weeknights or a longish drive on weekends. I just wish they provided high end safety features like airbags as an option (sigh...). Thanks, Amit.
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18th June 2007, 22:47	#10
horsepower BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 281 Thanked: Once View My Garage	Dude, you got to drive one to know why. The way engine responds to your right foot is awesome. Whenever you accelerate you are pushed back on your seats, such is the power. If you like driving then swift is the obvious choice and will not mind paying premium, Indigo is VFM product which is good for commuting from A to B. Nothing more nothing less. Maybe by year end there will be discount on swift diesel.
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18th June 2007, 22:55	#11
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	The Indigo is definitely the better VFM proposition between the two; also keeping in mind the family usage
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18th June 2007, 23:35	#12
pogusingh BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 226 Thanked: 0 Times	Go for Swift, if you want a) Refinement b) Reliability c) Good handling d) good finish Indigo , if you want a) space b) VFM c) comfort
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18th June 2007, 23:44	#13
abhibh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in the HOOD near you! Posts: 2,768 Thanked: 39 Times	Arey i clearly stated THIS IS NOT A CAR BUYING QUERY. I am not buying it. I was just giving a thought to what diesels offerings are currently there in the market as i gonna buy one. And i have driven both of them and redlined them too during test drives. @manik u know na after driving fiesta even skoda feels like vibrating truck to me at times lol... no offence.. If given a chance i will pick up swift but the main question that lies here is why will common man choose swift. The indigo NHV levels i agree but people still buy it and its more comfier, bigger than swift. And keeping in mind my family usage swift will do just fine. Coz sis will be in US in August. DAD and me both like small cars rather than sedans specially for city use and highway trips are like maximum 5 in an year.
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19th June 2007, 08:56	#15
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Because one is a car and the other is a "cruck"(not my own word, courtesy rt) I have driven almost all Tata's and between family owned everything right from the V-1 cractor to non Intercooled indigo to the indica turbo. 1. Refinement levels are not there 2. Power delivery is not really nice. Check out my test drive 3. Fit and finish is not upto the mark Of course the space is amazing. And the value for money is unbeatable. 10 horses more and the DICOR would have been a good powerful sedan, but right now its an underpowered cruck.
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